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[Black]

@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

I was going to mention that soon if no one else did.

Give me your thoughts here. What similarities do you see?

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

[TimmerRC]

I believe Hu Tao's claim and I think the people voting for her should probably find something else to do today

I believe in the standard concept that if someone claims a PR, especially a common one, and no one counterclaims them, that you don't lim then.

Which brings me to this:

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

I've never seen a post like this.

#1 contains both the nugget that a Town Doctor isn't important and suggests that it would be ok to mislim them because hey mafia would likely let them live to get mislimmed later. How is that town?

[Black]

There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

How many town games have you played with Hu and could you link some of them?

[Black]

#1 contains both the nugget that a Town Doctor isn't important and suggests that it would be ok to mislim them because hey mafia would likely let them live to get mislimmed later. How is that town?

Yeah I really don't like this either

I think people are equating effort and wall posts to being town and that's not really a convincing argument to me. I put in effort as scum every time I roll it

I'm down to wagon this again. Hop on Timmer

VOTE: kyouko

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

How many town games have you played with Hu and could you link some of them?

Games where I was town or Hu was town?

[Black]

There’s this like, flippant attitude? That I have only really seen from scum!HT

How many town games have you played with Hu and could you link some of them?

Games where I was town or Hu was town?

Town!Hu

I'm trying to determine if this is a real read from you or not

[Hu Tao]

Hmm I wonder

[Guillotina]

I believe Hu Tao's claim and I think the people voting for her should probably find something else to do today

I believe in the standard concept that if someone claims a PR, especially a common one, and no one counterclaims them, that you don't lim then.

Which brings me to this:

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

I've never seen a post like this.

#1 contains both the nugget that a Town Doctor isn't important and suggests that it would be ok to mislim them because hey mafia would likely let them live to get mislimmed later. How is that town?

Yah I don't like the post either, it is a very suboptimal proposal and pretty much one at a level of openwolfing and agenda driven.

VOTE: Kyouko

[Guillotina]

No but I will soon. I'll try to get it by tonight but if not then tomorrow.

I'm not gonna read it all but i'll read the beginning and look at votes and stuff.

I just got a question though, if you have not caught up, why are you voting Kyo for then?

Because I don't find Hu Tao scummy, and among the people voting Hu Tao Kyo is the one I have voted the least in past games.

That is the reason lol. I feel like im always voting Celebloki and Gamma.

Ok this implies you have read parts of the game to have those opinions. Why exactly you dont find Hu Tao scummy. What has any past games got to do with anything in this game? That is sort of OGIsh.
Why not just unvote ele and instead switched to Kyo?

Look if you're gonna ask this many questions we're gonna have problems.

Are they difficult to answer?

Yea

Why is it difficult to explain your read on Hu?

[Jingle]

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Should be fixed, as I verified everything via ISOs. Thank you for letting me know, and if you see something I missed please point it out.

[TimmerRC]

VOTE: Kyouko

[davesaz]

I'm willing to give Gob a "get out of the joke claim free" card for an answer soon as to whether agreeing with Kyouko about the miller claim was a joke.

VOTE: Kyouko
If a pivot is required, better it's done promptly. Time's ticking.

[Gamma Emerald]

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Aside from a game where I can’t recall HT’s actual contributions at all, these are the towngames of hers I’ve been in

[Elements]

@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

I was going to mention that soon if no one else did.

Have we considered that the similarities are a result of both games running at the same time so when Hu posts she's in a similar mindset between them? So not really ai?

[Elements]

VOTE: kyouko

[Keyleth]

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

[Andresvmb]

I fell asleep reading yesterday. I’ll come back later (but VLA today) and try and finish.

[Black]

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

Better yet, why don't you tell us why you townread kyouko

[Black]

If you want to know why people scumread her then you can check who's voting for her and look through their ISO's. I looked through yours and saw a lot of subtle defending of her slot but no real read other than she feels like she did in a previous game you played, which is pretty weak

[Black]

I think if kyouko flips scum then Keyleth has some partner equity here. These posts feel pretty meh if I consider a scum!kyouko world

Spoiler: Keyleth Quotes

I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum

I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafia

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

I understand your thought process. We should probably give them a chance though. At least, I would feel bad voting them out based off that one post when it could be more than one miller. Can't say I personally played with those often so the idea is neat!

Hrm, maybe I'm not seeing it for Kyouko but that could just be the way I play. I'll sit here and let people do their thing though the threadstate seems healthy so I'm not gonna get in yalls way.

Kyouko, Kawaii, and CSF have the most points I should add. So if anyone has suspicions on those slots I'd love to talk them over with you.

So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.

I understand where your post is coming fromI read it as someone just wanting to state the obvious. However, I personally don't really know where to point the smoking gun because I can see it as either side. I've given Dave BOTD because most people push me because of how I play on here, do you think the shade posts are in bad faith?

I can now say Kyouko feels like the same game we were in without being smited phew.

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

[Keyleth]

If you want to know why people scumread her then you can check who's voting for her and look through their ISO's. I looked through yours and saw a lot of subtle defending of her slot but no real read other than she feels like she did in a previous game you played, which is pretty weak

I'm not saying it like I haven't read people's posts, I have read people's posts and that's why I'm so confused on why people are wolfreading them because I do not see a lot of reasoning to begin with. That's the problem. Not even something like gut pings. It just seems like people are following and that's fine if it is but can we like, say that's what it is!

I feel like I've pretty actively said I'm townreading the slot more than others due to my point system and while it may seem like a weak reason I just feel like they're town and the way people have played around the slot doesn't really make me change that so I'm sitting here asking for people to help me see it ya know?

[Keyleth]

I may disagree with Timmer's idea on a personal level but I can at least see how they feel that way. Guillotina sort of sheeps the idea but that's all I really see? Maybe my Kyouko vibe reader is off and you can haha egg on my face but it feels like we even did the same thing with Hu Tao? I'm not used to this sort of just unified sheeping D1 so it's hard to wrap my head around.

[Keyleth]

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

Better yet, why don't you tell us why you townread kyouko

Innocent until proven guilty as they say!

[Black]

I am so lost over why people want to vote kyouko truthfully, can you spell it out to me like I'm five? Thank you.

Better yet, why don't you tell us why you townread kyouko

Innocent until proven guilty as they say!

They don't say that in Mafia. And tbh I find your "everyone is town" mindset a little strange. It's a stark contrast to the way I think about the game. I'm paranoid that anyone could be scum

Who do you scumread?