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[Gamma Emerald]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve seen this sort of reaction before. I hated it then and I hate it now.

[gob]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

LOL

That was actually pretty funny

[Guillotina]

I wish I could say that I care about your IRL "facts" Gamma. If you really are having a mental breakdown, it's best for you to step away and seek for help outside this game and come back later but making us carry that burden when we are pressuring you is unfair, you could still be a wolf having a mental breakdown at work.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m mainly asking for a temporary reprieve
Let me play without the sword of workplace stress hanging over my head, and see what happens then. That’s not really AtE imo, that’s trying to work past a bad impression.

[Gamma Emerald]

But I don't remember you doing AtE

I’m not AtEing, just stating the facts. Fuck off.

LOL

That was actually pretty funny

yeurgh

[Jingle]

Vote Count 1.18

Keyleth

(E-4):

Hu Tao

, Black, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, KawaiiKame, Gamma Emerald,

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-6): gob, TimmerRC, Naerys,

Hu Tao

(E-7): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald

(E-7):

ssbm_Kyouko

, Guillotina, Hu Tao,

Celebloki

(E-8):

ssbm_Kyouko

, Elements,

Black,

KawaiiKame

(E-8): Andresvmb

gob

(E-8): Guillotina,

Black

(E-9):

Elements

,

TimmerRC

(E-9):

Gamma Emerald,

Andresvmb

(E-9):

Naerys

(E-9):

Dunnstral

(E-9):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-9):

davesaz

(E-9):

Guillotina

(E-9):

Elements

(E-9):

Random Nurse

(E-9):

Not Voting

: Random Nurse, Celebloki,

With 17 alive it takes 9 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-07 23:00:00).

Mod Notes: Broccoli Quest 2 is V/LA until Friday.

[TimmerRC]

Holy output today! I'll be home and able to catch up on s couple hours

[Black]

I’m mainly asking for a temporary reprieve
Let me play without the sword of workplace stress hanging over my head, and see what happens then. That’s not really AtE imo, that’s trying to work past a bad impression.

No one is making you play at work Gamma. I'm not sure why you feel like you need to if you're not feeling it

I feel like scum is more likely to be glued to their phone trying to argue with a meta case on them when there's no votes or much pressure at all to do so

And yeah I like Key's responses enough to try and wagon elsewhere, though I am a bit paranoid that she could be really convincing at faking the whole "townie on their deathbed" thing

VOTE: Gamma

[Hu Tao]

Anyone want to just flash wagon Andres?

[Gamma Emerald]

[Black]

Anyone want to just flash wagon Andres?

Do you have a case or is it just "fade inactive player"

[Gamma Emerald]

why the fuck did I post that
I think I made my situation

worse

by posting that

[Black]

Can we just wagon Dunn and call it good?

[Black]

VOTE: Dunnstral

A miller that's moderately scummy who crumbed someone else's bodyguard claim

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My preference is Gamma > dave >= Keyleth - I think the wagon on me and the ensuing scramble helped clarify things.

@Guillo are you around?

I am now, for a limited time, what's up?

1357

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dunnstral

A miller that's moderately scummy who crumbed someone else's bodyguard claim

Worst vote of the game

[Black]

VOTE: Dunnstral

A miller that's moderately scummy who crumbed someone else's bodyguard claim

Worst vote of the game

If you think this vote is worse than Dunn's vote on you then you're tripping

[Black]

Anyone want to just flash wagon Andres?

Also don't even try to come at me when you threw this god awful idea out into the world

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: KawaiiKame


I find their vote on Keyleth in post 1385 suspicious. They say Keyleth is best for finding potential association but it's not clear whythey think that. They seem to be parroting what others have been saying earlier.

[Guillotina]

gonna break briefly from reading Gamma ego because I see Guillo responded

I'm here and haven't found the Guillo response wtf happened

Response to what?

Spoiler: 1211

I believe Hu Tao's claim and I think the people voting for her should probably find something else to do today

I believe in the standard concept that if someone claims a PR, especially a common one, and no one counterclaims them, that you don't lim then.

Which brings me to this:

I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying

I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.

I've never seen a post like this.

#1 contains both the nugget that a Town Doctor isn't important and suggests that it would be ok to mislim them because hey mafia would likely let them live to get mislimmed later. How is that town?

Yah I don't like the post either, it is a very suboptimal proposal and pretty much one at a level of openwolfing and agenda driven.

VOTE: Kyouko

This is maybe scummy, it's too reductive for Guillo I think. He's not this simple and I think he sees an easy target.

By reductive I mean, he's just sheeping on Timmer's opinion and throwing out a couple of buzzwords to back it up. I think looking at the whole of my play it should be clear what my alignment is, and I think Guillo is conveniently overlooking that. I know he's paying attention, at least he should be with his activity level.

Nope, when you posted that I felt a stomachache because you were in my townreads and I dont expect my townreads to say that is optimal to still

lim

a claimed doctor instead of letting it resolve at night. That is why I posted that we should do just that, to overrule you and take away from you any hope of yeeting Hu Tao there and then I waited and revisited an old hunch i had about you and the i voted you cause I really hated your post.

Out of game: We don't use the L-word on site anymore, edited in the quote

What's the old hunch you had on me that you revisited? Do you disagree with my assessment of a doctor's effectiveness in a 16, 14, 12-player Night phase assuming 4 scum alive (which is when the doctor would be most effective at blocking a kill, the denominator increases if we hit scum before one of the nights).

Speaking to everyone, not just Guillotina here - I think it is

convenient

, not

optimal

, to not lim Hu Tao here, because people are trained to let PR claims live. I think the reflex is to let them live, but if you actually think about it is easy to see that a doctor is not very useful for town here. We haven't even considered yet Hu Tao could just be a mafia doctor here, and they would be very useful to scum if there are any vigilantes about.

I'm reminded of mafia doctors after seeing I was one in one of the games I linked

Both of the bolded questions. I thought I saw Hu Tao quoted a post where you responded to this but it seems I was mistaken about what was inside of the post Hu Tao quoted - it looked like a response to 1211 but it seems that it wasn't

This is really anticlimatic but... i forgot what the hunch was. If i remember again, I'll tell you

[Guillotina]

Anyone want to just flash wagon Andres?

Nah, it is not even a good yeet for info. Let him get vigged if we have a vig.

[TimmerRC]

I wish I could say that I care about your IRL "facts" Gamma. If you really are having a mental breakdown, it's best for you to step away and seek for help outside this game and come back later but making us carry that burden when we are pressuring you is unfair, you could still be a wolf having a mental breakdown at work.

I had to force myself to walk from mafia years ago because I found myself in exactly this kind of position. I hope you will see that this is just a time waster game and life comes first. That said, I haven't felt any townie vibes from you at all so if you are going to get limmed it will have been earned imo.

[TimmerRC]

Just did an iso of Keyleth. I don't see anything scummy, they remind of a player from years ago named Juliets' Coffee who posted in the same polite middle ground style. I won't oppose a lim there if that's where we're going, but I'm not really supportive. I'd rather see Celeb or Kyouko, or even Gamma limmed ahead of them personally.

[Random Nurse]

I find myself once again having a tough time trying to put energy towards this game thanks to work and exhaustion.

As much as I want to use that beautiful table I posted earlier it takes so much god damn energy to use it and update it, so I'll need to play the way I usually do: rip and tear until the job is done.