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[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Gamma

[Black]

If you want to know why people scumread her then you can check who's voting for her and look through their ISO's. I looked through yours and saw a lot of subtle defending of her slot but no real read other than she feels like she did in a previous game you played, which is pretty weak

I'm not saying it like I haven't read people's posts, I have read people's posts and that's why I'm so confused on why people are wolfreading them because I do not see a lot of reasoning to begin wit

h. That's the problem. Not even something like gut pings. It just seems like people are following and that's fine if it is but can we like, say that's what it is!

I feel like I've pretty actively said I'm townreading the slot more than others due to my point system and while it may seem like a weak reason I just feel like they're town and the way people have played around the slot doesn't really make me change that so I'm sitting here asking for people to help me see it ya know?

This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself
VOTE: Kyouko
I think people are right about Kyouko and Key being scum together

This pinged me so hard and I just realized why, I've seen this before and I was slow to identify it then because I was tunneled during that game. I've caught scum!Gamma for this exact post before

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Have I actually caught 2 scum? That would be amazing. But it’s so freaking obvious that scum was trying to set us up that either Kyuku is the worst scumhunter in mafia history or he actually is scum. Rn, I’m leaning to yes.

You know what, this got me thinking and I have 0 of the good vibes I got from kyouko in mini 2213 rn
VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
I feel like a bastard for this but it’s making enough sense and S&M has earned my trust

Can you explain how these are similar?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In both posts there is the "not full energy"/"fake" part of the post (Gamma not sure if you're entirely faking these reactions as scum or if you just can't commit all the way due to conscience-related reasons, but it's discernable to me).

Fake (This Game): "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself" (this game)
Fake (Owner's Market Blitz): "You know what, this got me thinking and I have 0 of the good vibes I got from kyouko in mini 2213 rn" and "I feel like a bastard for this"

Also in both posts the vote is sandwiched between the fake one-liner and the "sheeping" part of the vote:

Sheep (This Game): "I think people are right about Kyouko and Key being scum together"
Sheep (Owner's Market Blitz): "but it’s making enough sense and S&M has earned my trust"

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you going to continue or was this all under a false pretense?

[Gamma Emerald]

You haven’t reached the game I had in mind

[Elements]

I don't think Elements is solving but I don't think we get much info out of an Elements flip*

Yea, I haven't had a chance to properly read what's happened since I went on v/la. My chime in with reads are very much vibe reads from skimming.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In terms of the tell I've been describing though it would be more comparing "I feel like a bastard for this" and "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself". During Owner's Market Blitz, I knew Gamma had to be lying about not getting the same vibes as in 2213 as I was pretty obviously town in both games, and back then we were good at finding each other as town (I think we probably still are but I only recently came back to the site so time will tell)

[Guillotina]

You haven’t reached the game I had in mind

How about you point it out. Make it easy for us.

@black im top poster and awfully quiet and none of my posts are fluff.
It is safe to safe it is on you how you perceive me, not on me =)

[Guillotina]

In terms of the tell I've been describing though it would be more comparing "I feel like a bastard for this" and "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself". During Owner's Market Blitz, I knew Gamma had to be lying about not getting the same vibes as in 2213 as I was pretty obviously town in both games, and back then we were good at finding each other as town (I think we probably still are but I only recently came back to the site so time will tell)

In your opinion, what is the scummiest thing Gamma has done in THIS game?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Are you going to continue or was this all under a false pretense?

You haven’t reached the game I had in mind

I'm going to continue, I just remembered OMB and out of curiosity went to look at it and once I found the vote in OMB it definitely pushed me over the line

I assume if I continue this direction I'll find it since I've been posting what games I've been reading this morning. Going to pop out for a bit since I see Guillo is bringing up the game and I haven't opened the spoiler yet

[Gamma Emerald]

I think those also aren’t exactly the same but it’s something you’ll have to take my word on
I talked about Key telling on herself because I thought she dropped a tell I rarely see in plain view, and I think my exhaustion led to me not giving my all on that proclamation
My feeling like a bastard was iirc because you were towning me and I didn’t want to go after you because of that

[Gamma Emerald]

You haven’t reached the game I had in mind

How about you point it out. Make it easy for us.

@black im top poster and awfully quiet and none of my posts are fluff.
It is safe to safe it is on you how you perceive me, not on me =)

Already linked it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In terms of the tell I've been describing though it would be more comparing "I feel like a bastard for this" and "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself". During Owner's Market Blitz, I knew Gamma had to be lying about not getting the same vibes as in 2213 as I was pretty obviously town in both games, and back then we were good at finding each other as town (I think we probably still are but I only recently came back to the site so time will tell)

In your opinion, what is the scummiest thing Gamma has done in THIS game?

Her most recent vote on me - you'll have to trust I'm identifying it correctly if you're not seeing that for yourself after reading what I've posted about it

[Naerys]

In terms of the tell I've been describing though it would be more comparing "I feel like a bastard for this" and "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself". During Owner's Market Blitz, I knew Gamma had to be lying about not getting the same vibes as in 2213 as I was pretty obviously town in both games, and back then we were good at finding each other as town (I think we probably still are but I only recently came back to the site so time will tell)

So if i understand you correctly, you believe Gamma is scum bcz she doesnt TR you? Have you played a lot as both of you town?

[Guillotina]

In terms of the tell I've been describing though it would be more comparing "I feel like a bastard for this" and "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself". During Owner's Market Blitz, I knew Gamma had to be lying about not getting the same vibes as in 2213 as I was pretty obviously town in both games, and back then we were good at finding each other as town (I think we probably still are but I only recently came back to the site so time will tell)

In your opinion, what is the scummiest thing Gamma has done in THIS game?

Her most recent vote on me - you'll have to trust I'm identifying it correctly if you're not seeing that for yourself after reading what I've posted about it

Trust? Ha! Anything else?

[Gamma Emerald]

And ftr the reason I voted you over key was I didn’t think that one point was enough for a vote since I still didn’t get the scumreads on key

[Black]

VOTE: Gamma

Not confident about this but we need to start consolidating

Down for this or Celebloki

[Guillotina]

I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

[Guillotina]

In terms of the tell I've been describing though it would be more comparing "I feel like a bastard for this" and "This is like the worst thing you could have said around me, seems that you just told on yourself". During Owner's Market Blitz, I knew Gamma had to be lying about not getting the same vibes as in 2213 as I was pretty obviously town in both games, and back then we were good at finding each other as town (I think we probably still are but I only recently came back to the site so time will tell)

So if i understand you correctly, you believe Gamma is scum bcz she doesnt TR you? Have you played a lot as both of you town?

First post i like from you.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

2235 gensokyo: I saw little bit of flair from Gamma toward the end, vehemently defending Yukari who had claimed doctor, somewhere toward ELO - not the tell I was looking for, but I still saw town when she was town

[TimmerRC]

I don't really pay attention to any case based on what someone said in a game at some point in the past. A good player can use their meta to their advantage and fuck around with it. Past games and meta are useless imo. Show me shady things from THIS game, not something in last July.

That said, would rooting through past games be alignment indicative? Does that effort to find that old post make Kyouko lean more town?

[Gamma Emerald]

It depends
I’ve caught scum for doing a half-baked meta-dive before, so if kyouko comes to a wild conclusion that I don’t understand it won’t look good imo

[Guillotina]

I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

Wha?

[Guillotina]

Gamma give me your town top 3 and your scum top 3 and why please.