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[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma softed gunsmith early on she said it was likely there would be an investigative that could clear the millers

[Naerys]

Fucking hell
I’m a gunsmith, stop this shit

VOTE: Hu Tao
A part of why I didn’t care for the claim was because of my role so now that it’s out there, I feel like we should go back there

Why Hu Tao? i dont like the idea of limming potential docotr

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Who are the wagons right now? I've been reading Gamma's games not this one

[Celebloki]

I'm lurking and reading. Deciding if I think Gamma is a vote today. I don't have the time at the moment to really dive anyone until maybe later this afternoon. I've only really formulated a list of people I don't want to vote (which I've listed before). At the moment Gamma isn't on it, but I'm not completely ready to vote her. I honestly have a hard time reading Gamma. Since my return nearly every completed game I've been in has had Gamma in it and I struggle to read her. I'm kind of waiting for a game to see a different side of her, but idk if I see that here yet. Her town/scum differences must be subtle to say the least.

I'm a proponent of not doing no elims, so push comes to shove I can maybe get on the Keyleth vote by deadline, but the only scummy thing you could argue about her play is that she's being too neutral and appeasing. I kind of agree that her play doesn't really benefit town at all, so the lim isn't the end of the world. Her play could be a great disguise for scum though.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In Mafia hands, the Doctor role has an additional, unrelated effect: a Mafia Doctor kills without the use of a gun, and thus a Gunsmith will not see a gun when investigating a Mafia Doctor. (This effect does not occur if a Mafia member gains access to a Doctor action via some other means, e.g. a Jack of All Trades role.)

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Black]

In Mafia hands, the Doctor role has an additional, unrelated effect: a Mafia Doctor kills without the use of a gun, and thus a Gunsmith will not see a gun when investigating a Mafia Doctor. (This effect does not occur if a Mafia member gains access to a Doctor action via some other means, e.g. a Jack of All Trades role.)

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

VOTE: Hu Tao

This isn't a bad observation

[Gamma Emerald]

Fucking hell
I’m a gunsmith, stop this shit

VOTE: Hu Tao
A part of why I didn’t care for the claim was because of my role so now that it’s out there, I feel like we should go back there

Why Hu Tao over Timmer, me, or Cele?

I think Hu Tao is scum doc that tried to “trueclaim” (in quotes because the modifiers may or may not be real) and scum doc is a fake inno to my role
As for why not Celeb, bg is not a fake inno and also feels like it could be town. You and Timmer I don’t see that a vote will do anything.

[Celebloki]

The theme of this game is rolefishing all the town PRs.

[Dunnstral]

I'm lurking and reading. Deciding if I think Gamma is a vote today. I don't have the time at the moment to really dive anyone until maybe later this afternoon. I've only really formulated a list of people I don't want to vote (which I've listed before). At the moment Gamma isn't on it, but I'm not completely ready to vote her. I honestly have a hard time reading Gamma. Since my return nearly every completed game I've been in has had Gamma in it and I struggle to read her. I'm kind of waiting for a game to see a different side of her, but idk if I see that here yet. Her town/scum differences must be subtle to say the least.

I'm a proponent of not doing no elims, so push comes to shove I can maybe get on the Keyleth vote by deadline, but the only scummy thing you could argue about her play is that she's being too neutral and appeasing. I kind of agree that her play doesn't really benefit town at all, so the lim isn't the end of the world. Her play could be a great disguise for scum though.

I don't think we should be voting Gamma with that claim

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unless someone is going to CC gunsmith I think we lim Hu Tao - Gunsmith makes so much sense in this setup with the roles that are claimed thus far, which means if Gamma is faking to get out of the lim, it's likely someone can CC her. Gamma probably dies toNight if she's town anyways and if not she can feed us clears

[Black]

Well we should definitely fade between Hu Tao and Gamma I think. No more running people up to claims. We've had what, 5 claims already?

[Naerys]

The theme of this game is rolefishing all the town PRs.

yeah, i dont like this
thats why i wanted to stop you from claiming

[Naerys]

bruh what kind of elim choice is that? doctor or gunsmith -.-
wtf are we doing wrong
i still dont like kyou

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: game link (last resort)

viewtopic.php?t=87782

I opened this after the gunsmith claim and that stuff with Prism is not convincing btw

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There's a third choice, to leave Gamma

and

Hu Tao alive, and leash Hu Tao to Gamma either toNight or N2 because of the indecisive modifier

[Gamma Emerald]

That wasn’t the part I meant
Around the time Infinity got eliminated I got super-motivated, that’s the main thing I wanted to point out
Maybe I missed the point of your dive but I was trying to show that I am not always flat as scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Leave it up to Hu Tao to decide which Night she will target Gamma so scum have to guess in the odd circumstances where they are both town

[Celebloki]

So for the setup/mech experts, does it make sense for there to be 2 Doctors aside from maybe a maf doc and a town doc? If there is a Doc claim, how reasonably should there be a CC to that, or at least a feeling of dubiousness to the claim?

I would just like an answer to this from a though experiment standpoint, please don't read any softing into this by me.

[Celebloki]

My inclination is obviously that an actual Doc shouldn't CC and stay hidden. But would you expect them to want to get the original claim out?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So for the setup/mech experts, does it make sense for there to be 2 Doctors aside from maybe a maf doc and a town doc? If there is a Doc claim, how reasonably should there be a CC to that, or at least a feeling of dubiousness to the claim?

I would just like an answer to this from a though experiment standpoint, please don't read any softing into this by me.

There should not be 2 ungated Doctors but given that Hu Tao has claimed a very gated doctor (can only protect PRs and can't target the same player 2 nights in a row) it is possible that if Hu Tao is town, there is another Town Doctor who is also gated in some way

[TimmerRC]

What did Celeb soft claim? How did I miss that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma

and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS

and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

This (in bold) is a misrepresentation of my case, and if I'm not mistaken this is like the 4th or 5th time you've said you had a reason to suspect someone without disclosing the reason.

[Black]

We can't just keep running people up to claims and then moving to someone else

[ssbm_Kyouko]

(catching up on what happened while I was reading Gamma games)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma give me your town top 3 and your scum top 3 and why please.

Guillo give me your town top 3 and your scum top 3 and why please.