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[TimmerRC]

We can't just keep running people up to claims and then moving to someone else

Does this bring us back to keyleth? Or have they claimed something too, I'm losing track

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'd be fine with Guillo tbh, as I'm catching up it just looks like he's bullying and not really paying attention

[Celebloki]

I've softed something at best, there may be some confusion as to what I am softing though. I'm worried that if scum think I'm softing something in particular I may be dead tonight as a NK target. I almost feel it may be more beneficial for me to full claim and be directed/ get protected and limmed on a later day given the other softs and partial claims we've seen.

[TimmerRC]

Sorry about asking about it,this site has a million role possibilities and I keep heading to the FAQ page to read up on them. But leave it for now I don't see the lim goingyour way at this point.

[Black]

We can't just keep running people up to claims and then moving to someone else

Does this bring us back to keyleth? Or have they claimed something too, I'm losing track

Key is a VT

I'd be fine with Guillo tbh, as I'm catching up it just looks like he's bullying and not really paying attention

So you just want to keep running people up to claims and then moving on huh?

Maybe it is just kyouko here. But then we would have to make her claim

[Dunnstral]

I will point back to Kawaiikame's vote on Keyleth looking like a mafia vote.

[Naerys]

Maybe it is just kyouko here

kyou seems like the best lim for me, but lets see what Dunn noticed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You are not gonna gaslight me for asking you questions.

VOTE: Kyouko

Im not gonna read old games, i barely have time to read this one, that is why im asking you to case Gamma based on this game.

1. I'm not

(TW:emotional abuse)

gaslighting

you - if you think your posting has demonstrated that you are paying attention to my case on Gamma, then if anything I'm

gaslighting

the rest of the game into thinking you are not. I'd invite you to prove this if you feel I'm wrong. Let's try not to use that word going forward if possible please.
2. You are asking simplistic questions that, as Gamma pointed out, amount to busy work at this late stage of D1 - something we do not have time for
3. I don't expect anyone else to read the games I'm posting. I'm posting the games I'm reading for Gamma's benefit because she seems to be under the impression that I might fake the effort to railroad her. Whether town!Gamma actually thinks this or scum!Gamma is pretending to think this, I don't know, but I respect her as a person enough to show her (in case I'm wrong about her being scum, which I think it's turning out that I was based on the claim) that I am putting in a genuine effort here and not railroading her. If we are both town and both survive the Day I think this will lead to her finding me Town as well.
4. I think it's rich of you to suggest you are lacking time when you are one of, if not the, top poster in the game.

[Black]

I will point back to Kawaiikame's vote on Keyleth looking like a mafia vote.

Kawaii's ISO is just asking questions but I'm pretty sure he does that as town

Let me look at the last game we played together real quick

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ll explain the SRs since those have been hashed out less I think
Black: feels like she’s trying to skate by this day phase, there’s some ping-ponging I see in her opinions.
Timmer: feels like he’s trying to control his positioning in a scummy way.
Celeb: I don’t trust how it seems near-everyone suspects him but that doesn’t seem to be amounting to anything

Black: I don't agree that ping-ponging around all pre-flips on D1 is scum-indicative
Timmer: I can see this a valid interpretation of his play but I disagree
Celebloki: softed PR but if he isn't one I'd yeet

[Celebloki]

I could be behind a Kawaiikame wagon. They were one of the slots that I have been alluding to being hyper critical. I felt they were being overly nit-picky earlier in the day. Specifically flaming Kyouko for claiming miller second, then backing down when pointing out that it was rather unfair.

The vote on Keyleth does reek of someone parroting what others are saying whiling joining a wagon that seems to be getting going without actually trying to catch up and join in.

[Black]

Ehhh. Kawaii asks questions in Death Note but there's a lot more game related thoughts that aren't questions in that ISO. I'm not seeing much of that here. It sorta feels like Kawaii is just asking questions to ask them, which comes across as scum trying to look town

I know I said I don't want to keep running people up but I think I would be ok voting here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

3d20 (the first iteration of it) I didn't find the righteousness

Righteousness means nothing if you feel like whole world is shite. Honestly i dont feel as if you are offering anything tangible, i dont really feel comfortable with voting Gamma just based on your feelings. We are running out of time and you are pushing just some kind of vague impressions. And i still havent forgotten how you tried to push Hu Tao out of here for claiming doctor. I believe that you were (and are) trying to push the most convenient person of the moment. I am not moving my vote from you.

Notice how you yourself are describing me based on how you "feel" about what I'm posting? I did try to show a tangible comparison to Owner's Market Blitz, though I'm not sure if that came before or after this post I'm replying to. I've been open with Guillotina that my read on Gamma is something I can just "tell" about when reading her posting. If I'm wrong in this game it's Gamma's one towngame of probably 10 or more that I read yesterday and today where I was wrong about her. Given the claim it's irrelevant now though. If you take away the claim I stand by scum!Gamma with the highest confidence, which is why I kind of like the idea of limming outside of Hu Tao, Gamma, and letting the NKs work it out.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like can say that Gamma could have slipped as scum for trying to AtE us with OGI stress while getting pressured which i often see scum do so.
That is based on this game, i want stuff like that.

Gamma gets OGI stressed as both alignments - I am confident that regardless of her alignment she is OGI stressed right now. I'm telling you that I can tell the difference when her heart isn't fully in her emotionally charged posts (scum!Gamma)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have been interpreting "righteousness" as righteous indignation, a "how dare you" type of reaction. I see that from Gamma a lot, but it's the kind of thing that is triggered. If the trigger is absent, the reaction will be absent. I don't see how spending that much time looking for whether reactions are present in a given game is at all useful unless you're also reading what people are saying to / about Gamma to find out if triggers are present as well. In particular, using absence of it to guess at alignment.

I had to open the game threads to before the reactions a couple of times when it wasn't clear from quoted posts in her ISO what she's reacting to.

I'm not going into games and checking if she's town or scum and then checking if it's there. That would be pointless. This tell is not about the presence of the reaction, because I know it is present as both alignments. This tell is about the tone. I can tell when Gamma is not fully in it. For some reason, when Gamma should have this type of reaction as scum, she holds back from it. Probably out of guilt if I had to guess why, but it doesn't really matter why because I can spot the difference.

[TimmerRC]

UNVOTE:

Any chance of an updated vc?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

viewtopic.php?p=13926942#p13926942

@Guillo

You shouldn’t be using that word

Oh I didn't realize this was a rule, sorry

[Black]

I can do a VC based on Kyouko's last one. One sec

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We can't just keep running people up to claims and then moving to someone else

Does this bring us back to keyleth? Or have they claimed something too, I'm losing track

Key is a VT

I'd be fine with Guillo tbh, as I'm catching up it just looks like he's bullying and not really paying attention

So you just want to keep running people up to claims and then moving on huh?

Maybe it is just kyouko here. But then we would have to make her claim

I'm a miller, I claimed on the first page

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I can do a VC based on Kyouko's last one. One sec

the mod has a more recent one than my last one I think

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Revisiting my interaction with KawaiiKame, it's an outdated read for me

[Black]

unofficial vc

Hu Tao

(3): Broccoli Quest 2, Gamma, kyouko

Gamma Emerald

(3): Hu Tao, Black, Guillotina

KawaiiKame

(2): Andresvmb, Dunnstral

ssbm_Kyouko

(2): gob, Naerys

Keyleth

(2): davesaz, KawaiiKame

Celebloki

(1): Elements

Not Voting

: Random Nurse, Keyleth, Celebloki, TimmerRC

With 17 alive it takes 9 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-07 23:00:00).

Why are there so many people not voting

[Dunnstral]

I liked Hu Tao's recent posts but think their claim looks suspicious, but again not impossible, with recent claims and softs

[Dunnstral]

I see we have 7 hours left and if we want to avoid a no elim we have to consolidate somewhere.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think both dave and Gamma make sense as partners to Keyleth

VOTE: Keyleth
Feel Key is the best flip in finding potential association

I'm fine voting KawaiiKame, I can see this post coming from town!KK that had found an early TR on me and decided to stick to that (and sheep me) instead of catching up fully, but if that were the case, I feel like town would own that - something like...

"Haven't read yet and I won't have time to before deadline, but I think Kyouko is town. I'm fine with sheeping her for now"

This post doesn't have that energy though, seems like a weak justification on what is probably the leading wagon at the time

VOTE: KawaiiKame