Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Dannflor]

I;m not feeling this hu tao wag

Why not?

Why not?

Feels like counter to Altaria wagon

i think scum!gob is pretty prone to white-knight townies getting pressure as a strategy

I'm also town reading Hu Tao tonally so far

[Dannflor]

i feel like i have my primary scum read already and the rest of this is just academic but I'll finish reading before I say anything

[Black]

My role is harder to play around for scum if it is not disclosed to them and claiming it for town isn't going to provide anything useful at this time

Pinging this again

Come claim please

[Dannflor]

the way dragon + gob interact early D1 i would find extremely unlikely to come from partners

[Dannflor]

like page 7 + 8 is just them being annoyed at each other and it's not really in a theatery way

[Black]

I was fairly confident in scum!Drew starting the Day but I could have been knee deep in confirmation bias. I still kinda want Drew today tbh

My Hu scumread is really just PoE and a little frustration that she's not doing anything or willing to look outside of Dragon/me. Probably not a great read and I'm willing to admit I'm wrong here

[Black]

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

[Doctor Drew]

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

I do slightly want to apologize to you, I still think you are likely scum lol, but I was in a mood yesterday and probably came off a bit too much like a stubborn dick.

I think you are correct, scum or town, I do need to be a bit more open with my reads. And ironically enough I have felt the same way about Cele as of late. Like as we were arguing and your read of me started to become and scum read, it did feel a little like he was trying to stoke the flame.

I promise this is not a pocket attempt haha.

Also if we have to lose Aliana, I could not think of a better person than Dann to replace her.......look at this, Drew spreading the holiday cheer all around!

[Dannflor]

are we also waiting for Dragon to claim who he targeted N2?

[Doctor Drew]

are we also waiting for Dragon to claim who he targeted N2?

I think he is trolling us at this point.

[Black]

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

I do slightly want to apologize to you, I still think you are likely scum lol, but I was in a mood yesterday and probably came off a bit too much like a stubborn dick.

I think you are correct, scum or town, I do need to be a bit more open with my reads. And ironically enough I have felt the same way about Cele as of late. Like as we were arguing and your read of me started to become and scum read, it did feel a little like he was trying to stoke the flame.

I promise this is not a pocket attempt haha.

Also if we have to lose Aliana, I could not think of a better person than Dann to replace her.......look at this, Drew spreading the holiday cheer all around!

I wasn't exactly the nicest person either but I don't think either of us crossed a line, so we're all good in my book

My frustration was legitimate though. I don't like to be wrong and I think you talking about your reads is like the only thing that will help me sort you. I know you probably don't believe this since you think I'm scum but it's the truth

[Black]

are we also waiting for Dragon to claim who he targeted N2?

Yes. It seems he has siteflaked

[Dannflor]

Yes. Did you target me because you townread me or did you think I was scum?

Townread

Still townreading you

we need you buddy

[Celebloki]

I'm really just waiting on what Dragon has to say at this point. My biggest scum reads are still Drew or Hu Tao. At this point they are kinda even for me. I don't like Hu Tao trying to push the narrative that she was the champion of the gob wagon when she wasn't. I'm at the point that I think the "block" as it were is Black/Dragon/Kyouko/geraintm and as long as they stick around we eventually win. You can knock me out at some point, just do Drew and Hu Tao first.

[Dannflor]

How did kyouko become part of the town block

[Black]

I think kyouko could be town because she claimed PR and tried to clear me based on that when she could have just claimed VT and helped wagon me if she were scum? I guess it could have been a pocket attempt though

[Black]

I don't think she should be in the town block though. I'm not even sure why geraintm is either. Can someone explain that to me?

[geraintm]

I don't think she should be in the town block though. I'm not even sure why geraintm is either. Can someone explain that to me?

Hammering my partner day 1, when I could have stayed silent and let them claim something to get the wagon off them. That is what ibthink you have to believe if you think I am scum?

[Black]

I don't think she should be in the town block though. I'm not even sure why geraintm is either. Can someone explain that to me?

Hammering my partner day 1, when I could have stayed silent and let them claim something to get the wagon off them. That is what ibthink you have to believe if you think I am scum?

gob was doomed regardless imo. I still don't really like your posts about not remembering if you knew it was going to be a hammer or not. Either you knew you were hammering or you didn't. How can you forget that? It's the "I think I thought" part for me

i ain't gonna do that day 2

Was your D1 hammer intentional? I just assumed you didn't notice that he was at e-1

I wanted Day 1 to end. I think I thought I was the hammer, but it didn't matter much either way.

You can't remember if you thought you were hammering or not?

I think I thought iwas the final vote, but even if I wasn't I was happy placing my vote there (vote counts can get fluid )

[Celebloki]

That is why I town bin geraintm, Kyouko because I kinda have her tethered to Black.

[Celebloki]

The slot that is probably the biggest '?' for me is Aliana/Dann tbh. I was generally town leaning Aliana all game. I might be hard pocketed though because of like most the games I've played since I've been back she has modded and somehow that gives me warm fuzzies.

[Black]

I don't think the hammer should clear geraintm. Am I wrong for thinking this?

[Black]

Yeah I have my doubts about Dann. I think the way Alianna tried to end the Day so fast in 725 is pretty uncharacteristic of her. I also think her willingness to trust me was really odd considering I completely bamboozled her in Backup6. She even said postgame that she would never trust me again but she ended up half-trusting me this game by believing my claim

[Black]

724 was the post, not 725

[Black]

VOTE: gob

I don't understand what gob is doing but I'm not convinced he isn't just limbait.
Any particular reason to vote him?

A little fence sitty here, and then questioning my vote. +partner equity

Okay fiiiiiiiiiiiine, you can be scum.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

@Altaria - I see what you mean there. I've been looking through gob's completed games for a towngame but it's taken me quite a while to find one.

Man does everyone just blindly follow meta on this site?

I happen to like meta (though I have been burned by it before), but I don't think that's true of everyone on the site and I don't see where the "blind following" is.

Gob seems a bit frustrated here about Alianna considering his meta. He could be legit frustrated that his partner is openly considering it? But I want to say this is probably negative partner equity

Briefly skimmed gob's ISO in DEFCON and it does seem better, though I don't have the context of actually looking at the interactions.

Might give it some time before I vote there though.

+partner equity. Riding the fence

Spoiler: intriguing meta findings that I am not sure how to interpret yet

This is from a scumgame Dragon repped into. Very similar entrance, though not as serious.

VOTE: Xegarus
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
VOTE: biancospino
VOTE: yessiree
VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: Aisa
VOTE: Aureal
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: KatyKimFanClub

Enchant locktown.

VOTE: Xegarus
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
VOTE: biancospino
VOTE: yessiree
VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: Aisa
VOTE: Aureal
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: KatyKimFanClub

Enchant locktown.

Is this serious?

Oh, I'm actually townreading that post if that's what you mean, but the locktown isn't 100% serious.

And I don't hate Dragon sheeping then in this manor, this is definitely something I would do as town.

.....are you claiming not town?

Huh?

nvm I just realized last time I pushed something like this as a scumslip it was our doctor. So this is probably makes you town if anything.

Pedit: Enchant is this directed at me or Drew?

I'd be willing to vote Umlaut or gob.
I'd consider Drew or Dragon but I kind of want to see more from them.

Elaborate on Umlaut and Drew

Nothing they've done has townpinged me, and a lot of players have townpinged me this game. That's really it.
I have more experience with Drew and I think I might have a tell on him that works in late game, so I'm inclined to want to keep him alive a little longer.

Gob wants Alianna to go deeper into her non-gob read. Trying to throw her off track? Negative partner equity

^
Plus the pings I got from the way Umlaut sheeped ssbm's case.

VOTE: Umlaut

i would be down with an umlaut wagon btw. i think i want to lim within dragon and umlaut today

Still down to vote Umlaut?

Alianna tries to push Umlaut through right around the time gob starts openwolfing. +partner equity

I'm okay with this.

VOTE: gob

E-1 by my count.

Alianna is pretty quiet when gob is doing his whole "Dragon is obvscum but we don't need to fade him" thing, and then shows up to bus. I think this is +partner equity

yep i'm feeling this too

i feel a little worse about aliana as well. i'm pretty sure she said she thought gob was limbait but joined the wagon anyway

VOTE: Hu Tao

I thought he could be limbait, and I do still think that is a possibility, but I've been pretty consistent in that I'm not townreading or defending him for it.

Alianna defending her read here doesn't feel great but I'm not sure she wouldn't do this as a non-partner

I don't think we can safely put Dann in the townblock

@Drew I'm curious what your thoughts are on Alianna, if you're willing to give them