BooneyToonz XVIII: Lights, Faeries, Action! [END]

[Something Cool]

Also I'm going to use "spare" instead of "lim" or "enlighten" because it's less confusing than lim and shorter than enlighten.

[Something Cool]

UNLESS

we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).

I don't have a read on this outside of not seeing any mechanism to make this work other than gating Dark Jester factional abilities behind the LE

-Python

[Aureal]

It's actually hurtful.

I can't really focus on this enough to figure what you're talking about right now but if it's directed at me, sorry. I'm just teasing, not trying to be hurtful.

It was about calling us an abomination.

Apology accepted

Take it more in this sense

i personally consider "fucking eldritch horror who Should Not Be" to be a compliment, but to each their own

I can hardly think of a higher compliment! Don't waste them on wesley.

[Something Cool]

UNLESS

we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).

I don't have a read on this outside of not seeing any mechanism to make this work other than gating Dark Jester factional abilities behind the LE

-Python

Well technically it can work for town by making it a variant role but that's limited to one per game so any others would have to be made to work with only stuff in 3/4/5

-Python

[Night Lights]

Pedit: I am also fine with doing Alianna. What's making you doubt your Hu Tao read?

After the first townslip I was like "ok this is probably town"

Then there was the second one and I was like "hmmm"

Aureal also brought up that Hu Tao can fake cluelessness as scum and I hadn't seen that before, so all of it makes me less sure about her. I still think she's probably town but I'm more hesitant to go there than Alianna

[Aureal]

Aureal what's your opinion on limming Kitty today?

@Aureal any chance you can answer this?

Also wouldn't mind a comment from Gamma and Black.

Not sure why you think I in particular should have an opinion here but you seem to be using the reasoning that you expect Kitty to be less useful later on. And I don't know that I'm comfortable using such reasoning.

Also that reasoning would apply just as well whichever alignment Kitty is.

[Night Lights]

I also think that mechanically it's more optimal to spare a nulltown on Day 1 than a top townread UNLESS we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).

Can you explain why you think it's better to fade someone we're less sure about than just yeeting the consensus townread every day?

[Something Cool]

I also think that mechanically it's more optimal to spare a nulltown on Day 1 than a top townread UNLESS we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).

Can you explain why you think it's better to fade someone we're less sure about than just yeeting the consensus townread every day?

Statistically we're more likely to hit town in the early game so it's probably better to aim at the harder to sort meh slots while we have the time and leave the easy townreads for when numbers are smaller and more townies need to be correct

-Python

[Something Cool]

Not sure why you think I in particular should have an opinion here

I just felt I didn't really have much content from you, you popped in so I used the opportunity to ask you a question, then I just continued to nag you about it because I like getting my questions answered lol.

you seem to be using the reasoning that you expect Kitty to be less useful later on. And I don't know that I'm comfortable using such reasoning.

Also that reasoning would apply just as well whichever alignment Kitty is.

Not exactly.

My thinking is this: I think Kitty has slightly higher than random chance to be town. If I'm correct about that, then sparing him is a pro town move, regardless of whether we do it today or on Day 3. However, if we spare my slot right now (the whole discussion started when Sakura voted to spare me and Python), then there will be one less person willing to spare Kitty on a later day. And I doubt Kitty can get himself super townread in ELo.

Therefore, since I think it's a good idea to spare him, I would like to do it BEFORE ELo. Because I am THAT confident I will be able to get my slot spared in ELo.

PEDIT: Also what Python said in the above post.

[Night Lights]

I also think that mechanically it's more optimal to spare a nulltown on Day 1 than a top townread UNLESS we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).

Can you explain why you think it's better to fade someone we're less sure about than just yeeting the consensus townread every day?

Statistically we're more likely to hit town in the early game so it's probably better to aim at the harder to sort meh slots while we have the time and leave the easy townreads for when numbers are smaller and more townies need to be correct

-Python

I don't think I agree with this. Every time we fade a Jester then our Enlightenment level goes down 1, which makes it so we have to find 1 more townie each time we do that. I'm not sure if the Enlightenment level can go into the negative? If it can't then I think that would support the argument to go for a nulltown slot D1 because if we manage to fade a townie D1 and then a Jester D2, we have to find 3 more townies at that point (4 total instead of 3). Fading a Jester D1 would be better than any other Day assuming we can't go into the negative. But I don't think we can safely make that assumption

I also just think we don't really need to risk fading any Jesters. I'd rather just get a perfect win by fading 3 townies in a row than have to deal with the Enlightenment level going up and down

[Boonskiies]

INT. VOTE COUNT - DAY 1.03

LEVEL OF ENLIGHTENMENT - ZERO

Hu Tao [2]:

Alianna, Sakura Hana

Alianna [1]:

Night Lights,

KittyTacky [1]:

Something Cool

Not Voting [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, Hu Tao, KittyTacky, Aureal,

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to

Enlighten

.

Day 1

ends

(expired on 2023-12-19 13:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Level of Enlightenment CAN go in the Negative.

TemporalLich

is a

Co-Mod

. Treat them with more respect than you would treat me. Should be easy.

[Night Lights]

@Mod: can you confirm if the Enlightenment level can go into the negative?

[Something Cool]

I don't think I agree with this. Every time we fade a Jester then our Enlightenment level goes down 1, which makes it so we have to find 1 more townie each time we do that. I'm not sure if the Enlightenment level can go into the negative? If it can't then I think that would support the argument to go for a nulltown slot D1 because if we manage to fade a townie D1 and then a Jester D2, we have to find 3 more townies at that point (4 total instead of 3). Fading a Jester D1 would be better than any other Day assuming we can't go into the negative. But I don't think we can safely make that assumption

I also just think we don't really need to risk fading any Jesters. I'd rather just get a perfect win by fading 3 townies in a row than have to deal with the Enlightenment level going up and down

A perfect game would require 0 jesters to be widely townread and 3/7 townies to be widely townread, do you think that's likely to happen this game?

-Python

[Night Lights]

I don't think I agree with this. Every time we fade a Jester then our Enlightenment level goes down 1, which makes it so we have to find 1 more townie each time we do that. I'm not sure if the Enlightenment level can go into the negative? If it can't then I think that would support the argument to go for a nulltown slot D1 because if we manage to fade a townie D1 and then a Jester D2, we have to find 3 more townies at that point (4 total instead of 3). Fading a Jester D1 would be better than any other Day assuming we can't go into the negative. But I don't think we can safely make that assumption

I also just think we don't really need to risk fading any Jesters. I'd rather just get a perfect win by fading 3 townies in a row than have to deal with the Enlightenment level going up and down

A perfect game would require 0 jesters to be widely townread and 3/7 townies to be widely townread, do you think that's likely to happen this game?

-Python

I think it's generally easier to find town than scum, so it's possible. I'm not sure the liklihood though

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Kitty?

After Hu Tao said she's confidently TRing him I did an ISO of him and I think he's nulltown.

I also think that mechanically it's more optimal to spare a nulltown on Day 1 than a top townread

UNLESS

we have reason to think that lowering enlightenment/increasing enlightenment has a mechanical effect beside advancing us toward wincon (EX: a town role that only works at 1+ enlightenment would make us want to spare a confident townread Day 1).

Pedit: I am also fine with doing Alianna. What's making you doubt your Hu Tao read?

I think enlightenment might have effects where higher enlightenment gives scum a bonus
There was a mechanic like that in a LT from 2016

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm going to use "spare" instead of "lim" or "enlighten" because it's less confusing than lim and shorter than enlighten.

KEK

[Something Cool]

I don't think I agree with this. Every time we fade a Jester then our Enlightenment level goes down 1, which makes it so we have to find 1 more townie each time we do that. I'm not sure if the Enlightenment level can go into the negative? If it can't then I think that would support the argument to go for a nulltown slot D1 because if we manage to fade a townie D1 and then a Jester D2, we have to find 3 more townies at that point (4 total instead of 3). Fading a Jester D1 would be better than any other Day assuming we can't go into the negative. But I don't think we can safely make that assumption

I also just think we don't really need to risk fading any Jesters. I'd rather just get a perfect win by fading 3 townies in a row than have to deal with the Enlightenment level going up and down

A perfect game would require 0 jesters to be widely townread and 3/7 townies to be widely townread, do you think that's likely to happen this game?

-Python

I think it's generally easier to find town than scum, so it's possible. I'm not sure the liklihood though

Playerlist is:

1. Gamma Emerald
   
2. Doctor Drew
   
3. Alianna
   
4. Hu Tao
   
5. KittyTacky
   
6. Sakura Hana
   
7. Something Cool [DragonEater70 + usesPython]
   
8. Aureal
   
9. Night Lights [Black + Alisae]

Drew is always scummy, Sakura's expressed an interest of taking it chill this game, Kitty's meh, We're beefing so that'll split the playerlist

That leaves:

1. Gamma Emerald
   
2. Alianna
   
3. Hu Tao
   
4. Aureal

Odds of a perfect game where we only lim consensus town doesn't look good to us tbh

-Python

[Gamma Emerald]

It's actually hurtful.

I can't really focus on this enough to figure what you're talking about right now but if it's directed at me, sorry. I'm just teasing, not trying to be hurtful.

It was about calling us an abomination.

Apology accepted

Take it more in this sense

i personally consider "fucking eldritch horror who Should Not Be" to be a compliment, but to each their own

I can hardly think of a higher compliment! Don't waste them on wesley.

I smiled when someone called me “that person who I can’t remember” or something like that. Twas funny.

[Boonskiies]

@Mod: can you confirm if the Enlightenment level can go into the negative?

Yes.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pedit: I am also fine with doing Alianna. What's making you doubt your Hu Tao read?

After the first townslip I was like "ok this is probably town"

Then there was the second one and I was like "hmmm"

Aureal also brought up that Hu Tao can fake cluelessness as scum and I hadn't seen that before, so all of it makes me less sure about her. I still think she's probably town but I'm more hesitant to go there than Alianna

Hu Tao also fakes cluelessness as town

[Night Lights]

Odds of a perfect game where we only lim consensus town doesn't look good to us tbh

I think with the confirmation that Enlightenment can go into the negative it would be super risky to fade anyone close to null D1. I could be wrong but I absolutely think we should go for the towniest player here

[Sakura Hana]

This game scum doesn't have NKs and there's PRs no? That makes it even easier than Toriel's Patience to win imo.
It's harder for scum to become a "consensus town read" than it is for town, much less for ALL scum to become consensus townreads.
I have no doubt that i could do nothing but vote my townreads all game and still win even if the entire playerlist scumreads me.

[Night Lights]

Pedit: I am also fine with doing Alianna. What's making you doubt your Hu Tao read?

After the first townslip I was like "ok this is probably town"

Then there was the second one and I was like "hmmm"

Aureal also brought up that Hu Tao can fake cluelessness as scum and I hadn't seen that before, so all of it makes me less sure about her. I still think she's probably town but I'm more hesitant to go there than Alianna

Hu Tao also fakes cluelessness as town

She fakes cluelessness as town? Do you have an example of her doing this?

[Something Cool]

This game scum doesn't have NKs and there's PRs no? That makes it even easier than Toriel's Patience to win imo.
It's harder for scum to become a "consensus town read" than it is for town, much less for ALL scum to become consensus townreads.
I have no doubt that i could do nothing but vote my townreads all game and still win even if the entire playerlist scumreads me.

Dark Jesters do not have a Factional Kill By Default. Instead, they have a collection of abilities that each Dark Jester can use.

There's PRs

-Python

[Night Lights]

This game scum doesn't have NKs and there's PRs no? That makes it even easier than Toriel's Patience to win imo.
It's harder for scum to become a "consensus town read" than it is for town, much less for ALL scum to become consensus townreads.
I have no doubt that i could do nothing but vote my townreads all game and still win even if the entire playerlist scumreads me.

I think this is a good take