open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[Skygazer]

i'll post more tomorrow, am out with friends

[T3]

VOTE: skygazer

Skygazer is still in my PoE but that's more because I townread others more conclusively than I do her.

Kurta is probably scum but he's not here

VOTE: shaddowez maybe???

[Dannflor]

Why is Kurta probably scum

[T3]

Why is Kurta probably scum

PoE mostly

[T3]

This might be a little angle-shooty but he visited the site after daystart and has since ghosted which I could see being scum who rage-quitted

[schadd_]

prodding kurtapika

[camelCasedSnivy]

was gone for a while but now I'm back

not really sure what to do now, i don't really want T3 dead and my preferred wagon is dead

if anyone wants to sell me a non-T3 not-Dannflor wagon I'm fine with that

otherwise

UNVOTE: Bellaphant

VOTE: shaddowez

[Afrayed Knott]

UNVOTE:

T3, I’m not sure what to think. I have a thought that you are scum playing a very good save, and then I have strong doubt that that might not be the case. Maybe I’m being influenced by what you are saying or even what others are saying. I’m not sure. But there is a niggle in my head on who might actually be scum in amongst some of my town reads. I have Sky as an outside bet to be scum and not sure about Aisa, Bella or Snivy. Shaddow though remains as a scum read to me as does Project, again if I’m truthful that’s more down to consideration of who seems more town than others and those I feel are actively hunting. I’ve liked Jupiter for a while as town and nothing has changed that thought. Dann is an enigma to me because he is a very good player and I’ve seen him both as town and scum and it is hard to pull him apart.

As Titus’ claim Has gone uncontested I’m going to have to listen to her if I doubt my own reads. What is important i feel for town is if Titus agrees that Dann is town here and would agree on his reads and current strategy.

[Afrayed Knott]

And I realized as I posted that I missed Kurt in my post above. Kurt for me sits slightly leaning town, but hasn’t always been. Although I do feel they have shown they are hunting, again is that my thought or a thought influenced by others I’m not sure. I’m right now considering that it is a genuine thought from me without the bias of other’s influence on me.

[Skygazer]

the facts:

- Titus jailkept T3
- no one died last night
- T3 responded negatively to a scum self-hammer
- T3 claims he spotted the Titus crumb during night one, which seems unlikely looking at what the crumb actually was
- T3 showed no indication that he spotted the crumb in his thought processes/words today
- the fact that T3 was baffled at how strong my scum read was is also indicative that he wasn't aware of the crumb at all
- lets suppose he did spot the crumb and just didn't acknowledge it whatsoever until Titus claimed, looking for crumbs in itself is still scummy behavior

T3 is obvscum y'all!!!!

[Skygazer]

honestly at this point i'm thinking dannflor could just be scum with T3 and running interference. the T3 thing feels pretty cut and dry to me at this point??

[Afrayed Knott]

Two questions

What’s a thunderdome

And if Sky is scum with T3 then sure that’s her throwing away a scum win in 1548 above?

[Skygazer]

if T3 is scum, then scum needs to scramble to save him (otherwise this game gets really hard for them), and dannflor has been taking the most overt actions to save him today

[Afrayed Knott]

EBWOP “surely”

[Skygazer]

thunderdome just means i'm 1v1ing T3, it's a reference to mad max i think

[Afrayed Knott]

Shit again EBWOP not 1548, 1584. Sorry on my phone and should be wearing my glasses

[Titus]

No. T3 is not obvscum Skygazer. It's mechanically the right lim. However on socials it's ccs and K

[Afrayed Knott]

Dann why are you flipping your votes around?

[OutWorldER]

Fundamentally I don't think Dann can be scum here simply because I don't think his shift onto Black at the end of the day can't be SvS. Black wasn't in danger of being limmed until Dann voted her, and Dann was fully aware that he was in a position where Titus and a bunch of other people who were sheeping him would shift onto his vote to consolidate. If Dann doesn't vote Black there, Black most likely doesn't die D1 and they have time to try and discredit Titus's solve in the future.

With that in mind, I think Aisa's catchup sucks and her shifting Project read makes me reconsider my own Project read.

[OutWorldER]

Fundamentally I don't think Dann can be scum here simply because I don't think his shift onto Black at the end of the day

can be

SvS. Black wasn't in danger of being limmed until Dann voted her, and Dann was fully aware that he was in a position where Titus and a bunch of other people who were sheeping him would shift onto his vote to consolidate. If Dann doesn't vote Black there, Black most likely doesn't die D1 and they have time to try and discredit Titus's solve in the future.

With that in mind, I think Aisa's catchup sucks and her shifting Project read makes me reconsider my own Project read.

EBWOP, don't post at 1 AM kids.

[Kurtapika]

Genuinely meant to compose something for the other day, but had things come up last minute. Caught up though. Putting down a summary for the most relevant events to now: I really don't understand Afrayed's thought process during this day, 1323 and 1225 and 1351 I can't glean a reason for going down these lines but it feels almost too nonsensical that this would be theatrics as scum with the context of Black that I'm inclined to agree with 1500. Will see what happens when PoE is run through though.

I'll address the CCS/Nono thing likely post flip, as I see that as lower down the pool enough that I'd only look at it after we've exhausted the first choices but I'm not understanding the angle with them as scum, by how it could fit into the current solves. But I'll ask CCS why shaddowez?

Regarding T3. Honestly I'd started to tr T3 tonally at this point, but what stands out to me during the end of day rush isn't the posts from him but Black on 1054. Don't see what motive as scum to specifically hold the vote as intent assuming T3 is town. The wagon was directed away at this point in the game and scum would have less towncred to gain by sticking out the T3 read, if this isn't partnered, she doesn't have any benefit not to seal this from what I can tell.

Still think the Project/Skygazer interaction and OWER's solve on it at 656 holds water here and especially now with Black flipping, at this stage I'd say we're left with either or on them. Flipping T3 is correct either way as pointed out with uncc JK. If this is scum then for me it would shake out to be Project, everything else feels like it would be secondary to making sense with that team. If T3's town, Black/Skygazer/Aisa is the solve I'd be looking at primarily.

VOTE: T3 Going to be leaving this here, but I want to see how the day goes in the meantime.

[Afrayed Knott]

Fundamentally I don't think Dann can be scum here simply because I don't think his shift onto Black at the end of the day can't be SvS. Black wasn't in danger of being limmed until Dann voted her, and Dann was fully aware that he was in a position where Titus and a bunch of other people who were sheeping him would shift onto his vote to consolidate. If Dann doesn't vote Black there, Black most likely doesn't die D1 and they have time to try and discredit Titus's solve in the future.

With that in mind, I think Aisa's catchup sucks and her shifting Project read makes me reconsider my own Project read.

are you saying that D1 Scum knew Titus was the JK

[Dannflor]

Hmmm

[Dannflor]

It might just be Aisa/T3

[Dannflor]

It’s an underwhelming solve but it makes an unfortunate kind of sense