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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:23 am

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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:24 am

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In post 222, Afrayed Knott wrote: Although Elements response seems off.
Which one?
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:25 am

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In post 221, Afrayed Knott wrote: not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:26 am

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In post 219, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 217, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 215, OopsieDaisy wrote: el is known for running up any wagon they see, they even put a disclaimer saying they wanted to avoid doing it to cause e-1's this game here:
In post 53, Elements wrote: Before anyone says anything I'm not planning on trying to push anyone to e-1 early this game
question, if elements is wolf and you’re town do you think that elements is likely to play around the meta knowledge you have of them?
of course, el loves playing around with meta. but also people push el in most games based on reasons that are just NAI for em. my current thought process with reading the slot is seeing how others interact with em, and right now gamestate tells me that people wanna push em rather than people wanna ignore em. former usually indicates townie el being targeted for weird play.

obvs there are nuances here, smaller game + being in the small hood means el is instantly in the spotlight so idk how much this kind of read holds up in this setup? but i know right now el is playing like el usually does. nothing has pinged me as particularly scummy so i'm chilling with the read.
is elements getting ignored of any significance in other situations?
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:27 am

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In post 224, Elements wrote: Meant to include:
Do you think there's any red team on your wagon?
If we go on percentages there may well be as I have two from the small hood sat on me.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:28 am

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In post 229, Afrayed Knott wrote:
In post 224, Elements wrote: Meant to include:
Do you think there's any red team on your wagon?
If we go on percentages there may well be as I have two from the small hood sat on me.
And ignoring the hood thing?
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:33 am

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In post 227, Dannflor wrote:
In post 221, Afrayed Knott wrote: not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.
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None right now, tbh. Elements asks me which reaction of theirs I found weird, it is this

In post 180, Elements wrote:
In post 179, fireisredsir wrote: elements/knott imo
You are, wrong
Didn’t vibe right when I read it. Defensive but not defensive, possible considered. But then it’s a weak thought to be frank
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:34 am

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In post 230, Elements wrote:
In post 229, Afrayed Knott wrote:
In post 224, Elements wrote: Meant to include:
Do you think there's any red team on your wagon?
If we go on percentages there may well be as I have two from the small hood sat on me.
And ignoring the hood thing?
See above, nothing to be honest.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:47 am

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In post 228, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 219, OopsieDaisy wrote:
In post 217, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 215, OopsieDaisy wrote: el is known for running up any wagon they see, they even put a disclaimer saying they wanted to avoid doing it to cause e-1's this game here:
In post 53, Elements wrote: Before anyone says anything I'm not planning on trying to push anyone to e-1 early this game
question, if elements is wolf and you’re town do you think that elements is likely to play around the meta knowledge you have of them?
of course, el loves playing around with meta. but also people push el in most games based on reasons that are just NAI for em. my current thought process with reading the slot is seeing how others interact with em, and right now gamestate tells me that people wanna push em rather than people wanna ignore em. former usually indicates townie el being targeted for weird play.

obvs there are nuances here, smaller game + being in the small hood means el is instantly in the spotlight so idk how much this kind of read holds up in this setup? but i know right now el is playing like el usually does. nothing has pinged me as particularly scummy so i'm chilling with the read.
is elements getting ignored of any significance in other situations?
yea i think so. el's play does merit responses. they hop on a lot of wagons and are generally a big prescence in the games they're in, so players typically read into those moves. in this game we've already seen how one move has merited a chain of reads to go off. in games where el is scum their play just isn't the topic of conversation in the group as much, because partners don't want the focus to be on their scumbuddy cause that means they then have to make stances on el and thus associatives are born.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:50 am

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i have fallen into the trap before of just brainlessly pushing a town el because the group at large don't rly care for the slot, so it's not a perfect read by any means, but it's where my head is at w/ el
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:12 am

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In post 231, Afrayed Knott wrote:
In post 227, Dannflor wrote:
In post 221, Afrayed Knott wrote: not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.
do you have any reads



None right now, tbh. Elements asks me which reaction of theirs I found weird, it is this

In post 180, Elements wrote:
In post 179, fireisredsir wrote: elements/knott imo
You are, wrong
Didn’t vibe right when I read it. Defensive but not defensive, possible considered. But then it’s a weak thought to be frank

this feels like overexplained for something that has no substance
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:12 am

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maybe ill read some Afrayed meta but i lack motivation
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:46 pm

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@Afrayed Knott How do you usually go about finding reads in mafia games?
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:40 pm

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its not impossible but i think its a little unlikely that ari as scum would see a gamestate where things were kinda dead and nothing was happening, and decide to break that by starting a wagon on knott

it's like a pretty proactive, get things moving, prod the town to life sort of play

and she could just not do that
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:05 pm

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that feels like giving ari too little credit
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:16 pm

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idk maybe

i just remember looking at the thread a few times and wishing someone would do something to move the game forward and then she did

so that maybe made it feel extra towny to me
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:27 pm

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I don't think I'd characterize my scum play as pretending to be wallpaper but thank you for the vote of confidence fireisredsir
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:38 pm

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In post 237, OopsieDaisy wrote: @Afrayed Knott How do you usually go about finding reads in mafia games?
First day for me it’s a mess unless something pings and doesn’t work out in my mind. Or doesn’t feel right. Then if I make it to D2, which has been a rarity for me, I look at any associations I might see or look at any solves that might start to appear. I’m fairly new to the game so it’s all still a learning process atm.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:42 pm

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In post 240, fireisredsir wrote: idk maybe

i just remember looking at the thread a few times and wishing someone would do something to move the game forward and then she did

so that maybe made it feel extra towny to me
I had been doing the same about looking at what was a dead thread. Then of course I come back and there’s a wagon, me. What I will say is having slept on that one question keeps coming to mind. Ari states she sees no scum hunting in my ISO, to be blunt I see none in hers or many people’s ISO. I see a lot of people chatting about other players they have played with in the past, and what they can say about those players and how the play as town or scum.


So when Ari started my wagon I thought ok looks like a push to get things going, but then the reason doesn’t sit right in that she herself has no scum hunting going on in her ISO up to that point.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:43 pm

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what do you define as "scumhunting" ?
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:43 pm

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like would you say me voting you and claiming you're mafia for not having content in your iso is "not scum hunting?"
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:44 pm

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In post 235, Aristeia wrote:
In post 231, Afrayed Knott wrote:
In post 227, Dannflor wrote:
In post 221, Afrayed Knott wrote: not sure why the wagon rolled. Ari said there is no scum hunting in my ISO, yes there’s nothing there for sure, as the days just begun, and I really have nothing to go on. All I’m seeing for about 8 pages is a lot of joking around by people who seem to have played together a few times in the past, So ok.
do you have any reads



None right now, tbh. Elements asks me which reaction of theirs I found weird, it is this

In post 180, Elements wrote:
In post 179, fireisredsir wrote: elements/knott imo
You are, wrong
Didn’t vibe right when I read it. Defensive but not defensive, possible considered. But then it’s a weak thought to be frank

this feels like overexplained for something that has no substance
How would you like me to phrase it? One word or two, your push has no substance either. Enjoy
The meta read you will get a headache I think
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:45 pm

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In post 244, Aristeia wrote: what do you define as "scumhunting" ?
Asking questions looking for gaps in logic or statements that don’t tally with previous statements, how do you define it?
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:48 pm

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In post 245, Aristeia wrote: like would you say me voting you and claiming you're mafia for not having content in your iso is "not scum hunting?"
I would say it’s either a push to lol for a reaction or say it was opportunistic.

You miss one point, I stated that up until your push on me there was no scum hunting in your ISO. Thats rather selective in my mind.
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