Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Thomith]

I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

[Thomith]

I think this is where I'm at right now:

FL - Seemed to try and get the game moving when it was slow early on. Early gut townread.
RCE - Bold statement trusting people early on that I agree with Hu Tao, I'm not convinced scum would do that early.

Hu tao - feels different to me than last game i played with them, where they were scum, which makes me kind of want to townread, but not confidently
gob - my brain is telling me that gob is being weird, but my gut is still telling me he's town, so I'm still conflicted here.

Bingle - struggling to read properly, but they haven't done anything inherently scum indicative
Roden - a lot of short posts that also read as quite fluffy to me. I also didn't really like the quicklim comment, which I'll wait for an explanation about before I decide here.
Wiz - I was leaning town on him, but Kyouko has kind of begun convincing me I may have been wrong about this.

Cele - Their catchup seemed to be echoing others points/points that were already made, but I guess that could be genuine as there probably aren't a lot of points left unmade yet.
Kyouko - mostly gut, mainly because again, to me her play just feels different than I remember it being?
Naerys - I still think could be scum, but I could be convinced to give her the benefit of the doubt and see if my perception changes on Day 2, to see if they are just weak on Day 1 like she claims.

Dunn - I've mentioned my suspicions on him already - i dislike not holding every slot to the same standards, while also doing (or in this case not doing) what he was questioning other slots about.

Not enough info:
Sircakez

this reads list is pretty bad
every read has basically a cop out scenario like there's no conviction behind it at all

Sure, I admit that is true because I'm not confident on my reads yet, so this list almost definitely changes as times go on.
I'm not going to lie and claim I definitely think people are town/scum because I'm not yet.

You said later on that you want to fade half the player list, insinuating that you find them scummy, but then don't even state who those players are. How is that any different/better?

[Roden]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

I don't think you're scum, but I don't really understand prioritizing Leaf as today's elim. What makes you think he's posting like scum?

[Roden]

Kyouko could be scum, but only because she's giving off the vibe that she'd rather be doing literally anything else every time she pops in

[Roden]

like I'm not sure how Bingle's question is meant to lead me to go after you and wiz. If I say TMI it's because I think Wiz is TMIing you as town, if I say S/S it's because I think it's S/S.

I do like this post though

[Roden]

I feel like I can townlock Wiz on tone alone

He feels different than the last game we just had but not in a way that's scummy, like less aggressive but more loose/carefree

[Roden]

I kinda thought he was trying to emulate a certain tone/playstyle, but even if he is he isn't emulating what I just saw last game, so I'm fine with town binning him

I'm interested in Hu Tao and Naerys' thoughts on Wiz and if they agree or not on that take, since all four of us were town that game

[Roden]

It sucks not having an extensive library of personal meta on everyone. I have like half filled in meta. My best meta read for Kyouko is that she isn't playing like I've seen her in town games I've completed with her. I couldn't say what she looks like as scum. I do notice a significantly quieter energy from her in this game though. Less solvy, more snipey.

This makes me feel so much better about my read.

Celebloki I've seen as town two games recently, and they have subtle next level quiet analysis that comes out like this.

I'm talking like calling out Elements as Deep Wolf scum in that last game but it was a 'crackpot theory' and I got to see that while holding onto a Guilty on Elements.

You also noticed in that game where I was Traitor, partners with Gob, that the Day 1 misfade happening to ask a neighbor about all 3 neighbors, and explaining how it could have happened.

This is yet another example of how I think Celebloki lowkey has some of the best quiet analysis like this on site at the moment.

I agree with this, Celeb is likely town regardless of Kyouko's alignment

[Roden]

Gob/Hu Tao/Naerys/Kyouko/Thomith

I think this contains exactly two scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

That’s why i said Hu Tao would be deep wolf in another post

[Thomith]

I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

That’s why i said Hu Tao would be deep wolf in another post

I saw.

The only reason I primarily disagree is because Hu Tao was trying to deep wolf in the last Micro, and I feel like they are playing much differently here.
I'll reread them though to make sure I'm not tunneling on a town read just because they feel different though.

[Thomith]

Gob/Hu Tao/Naerys/Kyouko/Thomith

I think this contains exactly two scum

Why exactly 2 scum?

[RCEnigma]

I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

That’s why i said Hu Tao would be deep wolf in another post

I saw.

The only reason I primarily disagree is because Hu Tao was trying to deep wolf in the last Micro, and I feel like they are playing much differently here.
I'll reread them though to make sure I'm not tunneling on a town read just because they feel different though.

Well, did it work there?

[Thomith]

I’m tinfoiling a Kyouku, Cakez, Hu Tao team right now.

I disagree on Hu Tao.

I could potentially see the other two.

That’s why i said Hu Tao would be deep wolf in another post

I saw.

The only reason I primarily disagree is because Hu Tao was trying to deep wolf in the last Micro, and I feel like they are playing much differently here.
I'll reread them though to make sure I'm not tunneling on a town read just because they feel different though.

Well, did it work there?

Good Point.

No it didn't, but only because they ended up getting caught out due to us being able to clear bigger suspects later into the game day.

[SirCakez]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

Who is the half of the player list you want to yeet?
Why do you want to yeet them?

Rn, I'd be down to yeet FL, you, AnimatedWiz, RCE, Naerys and potentially gob. All of the reasons for these can be found in the post burst on this page I did last night.

[SirCakez]

or on the last page rather

[SirCakez]

okay so some games I don't know who to vote and get stuck
this is not one of them lmaoo
I want to yeet like half this player list rn
however I think the best person to get out of here ASAP day one is flavor leaf, bc dude is posting like scum and even if he's town he's already making me think he's going to self implode this game so might as well get it over with now

Aside from Flavor, who else do you think is good to lim?

See above

[SirCakez]

yea imma need more than that SirCakez, we got like 5 or 9 days too so we got the time 2 hash this out.

I don't like how you leaned so heavily into talking about me before I even showed up. It felt very much like a positioning plot and possibly even buddying.

[SirCakez]

I think this is where I'm at right now:

FL - Seemed to try and get the game moving when it was slow early on. Early gut townread.
RCE - Bold statement trusting people early on that I agree with Hu Tao, I'm not convinced scum would do that early.

Hu tao - feels different to me than last game i played with them, where they were scum, which makes me kind of want to townread, but not confidently
gob - my brain is telling me that gob is being weird, but my gut is still telling me he's town, so I'm still conflicted here.

Bingle - struggling to read properly, but they haven't done anything inherently scum indicative
Roden - a lot of short posts that also read as quite fluffy to me. I also didn't really like the quicklim comment, which I'll wait for an explanation about before I decide here.
Wiz - I was leaning town on him, but Kyouko has kind of begun convincing me I may have been wrong about this.

Cele - Their catchup seemed to be echoing others points/points that were already made, but I guess that could be genuine as there probably aren't a lot of points left unmade yet.
Kyouko - mostly gut, mainly because again, to me her play just feels different than I remember it being?
Naerys - I still think could be scum, but I could be convinced to give her the benefit of the doubt and see if my perception changes on Day 2, to see if they are just weak on Day 1 like she claims.

Dunn - I've mentioned my suspicions on him already - i dislike not holding every slot to the same standards, while also doing (or in this case not doing) what he was questioning other slots about.

Not enough info:
Sircakez

this reads list is pretty bad
every read has basically a cop out scenario like there's no conviction behind it at all

Sure, I admit that is true because I'm not confident on my reads yet, so this list almost definitely changes as times go on.
I'm not going to lie and claim I definitely think people are town/scum because I'm not yet.

You said later on that you want to fade half the player list, insinuating that you find them scummy, but then don't even state who those players are. How is that any different/better?

Okay so you should understand why that looks suspicious from the outside.
The reason I didn't write it out last night was because I wanted to see how FL was going to react and he predictably immediately declared me scum and spent six posts attacking me. I don't see the connection between that and your wishy washy reads list at all so this looks like a deflective tactic.

[SirCakez]

Bingle is my strongest TR by far btw
weaker townreads include Roden, Dunn, Kyouko

[SirCakez]

ugh I guess I do need to respond to FL's posts but it feels so pointless, it's just gonna be a shit flinging fest

[gob]

Gob, who’s scummier, Kouyoko or Cakez?

I can't even really remember anything about Kyouko so Cakez.

They’re your 2 hardest defenders.

Kyouko said you town told, but then went on to say you and I were partners.

I dont remember cakez defending me. Kyoko i don’t remember either but i believe you probably forgot

[gob]

yea imma need more than that SirCakez, we got like 5 or 9 days too so we got the time 2 hash this out.

I don't like how you leaned so heavily into talking about me before I even showed up. It felt very much like a positioning plot and possibly even buddying.

I would like to be your buddy

[SirCakez]

I'm also open to meta arguments on most people in this game, I don't know many of these players well so if someone can bring good meta to the table I'm interested

[Thomith]

I think this is where I'm at right now:

FL - Seemed to try and get the game moving when it was slow early on. Early gut townread.
RCE - Bold statement trusting people early on that I agree with Hu Tao, I'm not convinced scum would do that early.

Hu tao - feels different to me than last game i played with them, where they were scum, which makes me kind of want to townread, but not confidently
gob - my brain is telling me that gob is being weird, but my gut is still telling me he's town, so I'm still conflicted here.

Bingle - struggling to read properly, but they haven't done anything inherently scum indicative
Roden - a lot of short posts that also read as quite fluffy to me. I also didn't really like the quicklim comment, which I'll wait for an explanation about before I decide here.
Wiz - I was leaning town on him, but Kyouko has kind of begun convincing me I may have been wrong about this.

Cele - Their catchup seemed to be echoing others points/points that were already made, but I guess that could be genuine as there probably aren't a lot of points left unmade yet.
Kyouko - mostly gut, mainly because again, to me her play just feels different than I remember it being?
Naerys - I still think could be scum, but I could be convinced to give her the benefit of the doubt and see if my perception changes on Day 2, to see if they are just weak on Day 1 like she claims.

Dunn - I've mentioned my suspicions on him already - i dislike not holding every slot to the same standards, while also doing (or in this case not doing) what he was questioning other slots about.

Not enough info:
Sircakez

this reads list is pretty bad
every read has basically a cop out scenario like there's no conviction behind it at all

Sure, I admit that is true because I'm not confident on my reads yet, so this list almost definitely changes as times go on.
I'm not going to lie and claim I definitely think people are town/scum because I'm not yet.

You said later on that you want to fade half the player list, insinuating that you find them scummy, but then don't even state who those players are. How is that any different/better?

Okay so you should understand why that looks suspicious from the outside.
The reason I didn't write it out last night was because I wanted to see how FL was going to react and he predictably immediately declared me scum and spent six posts attacking me. I don't see the connection between that and your wishy washy reads list at all so this looks like a deflective tactic.

You not stating your "yeet" list to me also felt like a cop out scenario, as you can just feasibly change this list on the fly later on, without proof of if it ever changed or not.
However, from your explanation, I do concede that this "list" was kind of dispersed throughout your other posts.