Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Black]

Pagetop

[Black]

I kind of think it's dragon or black. Leaning dragon but I'm fine voting outside.

Hu Tao no-killed N1 to frame Dragon and his jailed target

[Black]

I kind of think it's just Umlaut here.

I'm fine with that today

Hu Tao joins in on the Umlaut wagon out of absolutely no where. Thinking it's me or Dragon was not a real thought

[Black]

Not sure. I think it's dragon or you. But I still wait for dragon

But after the Umlaut mislim she conveniently goes back to Dragon/me

[Black]

Ok sorry for the hyperposting but I think I'm done now. I strongly encourage everyone to look over Hu Tao and eventually vote there with me. I think we just win this by fading her

[Hu Tao]

Yeah. I'm just going to skip that page.

VOTE: Dragon

[Black]

Vote Hu Tao and we win the game y'all

[Black]

Yeah. I'm just going to skip that page.

VOTE: Dragon

If you are somehow town here then I want a full list of reads and thoughts on every player

[Black]

If you refuse then you are accepting defeat and we will just throw you off the cliff

[Doctor Drew]

If you refuse then you are accepting defeat and we will just throw you off the cliff

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Black, do me a favor and look at this game......I need an outsiders perspective on it.

Hu was town here(a mason with Nono), I also was town(along with your best friend Flavor Leaf haha).

I, among others, were very suspicious of Hu all game and felt her play was scummy.......until I had a come to Jesus moment and realized the mason claim probably made the most sense.....blah blah won't bore you with all the details of how I won the game for town

But, does Hu look similar there to here? I kinda feel no, but something about Hu that makes me doubt every read I have on her.

[Black]

I'll take a look first thing in the morning

[DragonEater70]

I would love a detailed report by Dragon and Dann(and anyone for that matter) about how I am mechanically scum, and Black isn't(calm down Dann, not saying she is scum, but we both were claimed to be jailed on Nights without a kill).

Look maybe I'm wrong but I think mech points to you. I agree it could also point to Back I guess, but (a) I just have the strongest townread on her this game, I'm just

feeling

her solviness so hard, and (b) she kinda has to be a vig setup wise? Like I guess a 10p setup with hider and 2-shot JK might work balance wise (since if even one kill is blocked we get an extra lim), but it feels like weird setup design to me.

And I can't really say anything like that about you.

[Black]

I would love a detailed report by Dragon and Dann(and anyone for that matter) about how I am mechanically scum, and Black isn't(calm down Dann, not saying she is scum, but we both were claimed to be jailed on Nights without a kill).

Look maybe I'm wrong but I think mech points to you. I agree it could also point to Back I guess, but (a) I just have the strongest townread on her this game, I'm just

feeling

her solviness so hard, and (b) she kinda has to be a vig setup wise? Like I guess a 10p setup with hider and 2-shot JK might work balance wise (since if even one kill is blocked we get an extra lim), but it feels like weird setup design to me.

And I can't really say anything like that about you.

It's Hu Tao

[DragonEater70]

Okay I see there are a bunch of posts, let me see why you think it's Hu Tao

[Black]

If you refuse then you are accepting defeat and we will just throw you off the cliff

viewtopic.php?t=91775

Black, do me a favor and look at this game......I need an outsiders perspective on it.

Hu was town here(a mason with Nono), I also was town(along with your best friend Flavor Leaf haha).

I, among others, were very suspicious of Hu all game and felt her play was scummy.......until I had a come to Jesus moment and realized the mason claim probably made the most sense.....blah blah won't bore you with all the details of how I won the game for town

But, does Hu look similar there to here? I kinda feel no, but something about Hu that makes me doubt every read I have on her.

Alright so I was able to look over this game in conjunction with this game and Micro Normal 1094 that just ended where she was scum

The thing I'm noticing in her town game that isn't present in her scum game (or this game) is that she's

way

more willing to verbalize townreads and agree with other people's townreads. The only townread she has expressed this game is Drew. The only real townread she gave in Micro Normal 1094 was me. She did end up giving some pseudo townreads late in the game there but she didn't explain them at all and I think part of her plan was to try and pocket Gamma/Elements with them

The questions in her town game seem to have purpose, like she's actually trying to sort people when engaging with them. I don't see that as much in this game and in the Micro Normal. She does ask questions in her scum game but it feels like they are trying to push an agenda rather than figure people out, and a lot of them come when either defending herself or trying to accuse someone of being scum

I'm really bothered by the way Hu Tao was so adamant about everyone claiming in this game. This isn't really related to her other games but I can't stop thinking that it just implicates her as scum. I went over it in 1160. It really feels like Hu was desperate to get the information out on the table before the Day ended so she could start planning her path to victory. I missed 759 when I wrote 1160 but it adds even more to the desperate vibe. She asked multiple times for people to unvote in a very short span of time. I would feel better about this if Hu Tao followed the claims up with

anything

noteworthy, like balance spec, thoughts about who could be lying, anything. That was her whole reason for promoting the mass claim in the first place. Instead we got nothing. It really makes me feel like she just needed the information for herself and had no interest in using it to help solve the game

[T3]

Day 4 VC 2:

DragonEater70 (1): Hu Tao
Hu Tao: (1) Black

Not voting (4): DragonEater70, Celebloki, Doctor Drew, Dannflor

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-12-22 14:38:00). With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate and 3 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

[DragonEater70]

Okay I see there are a bunch of posts, let me see why you think it's Hu Tao

Sorry I disappeared, a wave of tiredness washed over me. I'm back now

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Hu

[DragonEater70]

Looking over her ISO I'm seeing a lot of similarities to Mini Normal 1094 that just ended

I think one of Hu's scumtells is that she's slightly more verbose than usual. And she gets defensive while calling people that attack her defensive. She literally called me defensive in 1094 in almost the exact same way that she did in 56. I think one of her tactics as scum is to undermine people pushing her by calling them defensive

Mini Normal 1094 is 13 years old


In all seriousness though, I checked that game and I guess I see what you're talking about, but I am not really sure this is scum indicative, and not just how Hu Tao talks in general? I wanna check something

[Black]

Dragon, what do you think of 1165 and 1166?

I don't think it's a coincidence that Hu has been pushing the "it's either Dragon or Black" narrative since you first claimed your N1 target. I think her plan was (and still is) to try and get you faded

Notice how she hasn't been pushing either of us very hard despite us being her solve. That's because the majority of the player list believes that we're town. Instead she has supported the Umlaut wagon (out of no where) and two no eliminations


I think she no killed twice because she was worried about kyouko being a roleblocker or something that could out her as scum if she sent in a kill. That's why she desperately wanted a mass claim and pressed kyouko very hard to full claim. And I think she felt safe sending in the kill on gera last Night because kyouko expressed a townread of her in 1038, so if she were a RB then she likely wouldn't have targeted Hu

[DragonEater70]

Okay I checked and actually you're right, Hu Tao doesn't talk like that in either of Large Normal 244 or The Mafia Has a Cop, and also I noticed she has a completely different tone in those games.

Pedit: okay yeah I checked and the way she picoted onto Umlaut despite SRing me and you feels a bit like "okay I'll take the easy miselim but then we should definitely vote Black/Dragon tomorrow"

[DragonEater70]

pivoted

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: HT

[DragonEater70]

The thing I'm noticing in her town game that isn't present in her scum game (or this game) is that she's way more willing to verbalize townreads and agree with other people's townreads

I very much agree with this take on her

[DragonEater70]

Also if earlier I thought Black was 95% town, now I think she's 99.999% percent town

She's just oozing town these last few pages