Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[DragonEater70]

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VC 1.07

VC 1.07

gob (5): Bingle, Roden, ssbm_kyouko, AnimatedWiz, Naerys
AnimatedWiz (2): Hu Tao, Dunnstral
RCEnigma (2): RCEnigma, SirCakez
SirCakez (1): Thomith
ssbm_kyouko (1): Celebloki
Naerys (1): Flavor Leaf

Not voting (1): gob

It takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-18 16:10:00).

Mod note: VC error corrected

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm hesitant to turn on Wiz, but if Gob and Naerys are town, they look baaaad

[Flavor Leaf]

there's no true support for Gob. The support in Kyo/Wiz turned on Gob, and on a gamestate level, that feels like Gob is in this game alone, and thus town.

Wiz/Kyo is not pure imo, and I think I'm leaning Wiz.

Wiz/Hu Tao

Hu Tao, sorry if you're town, not trying to push you today, something I can't shake with you. At least it'll keep you alive if you are town.

[gob]

I'm hesitant to turn on Wiz, but if Gob and Naerys are town, they look baaaad

???? what have i done wrong lol

you guys just say stuff sometimes

[gob]

there's no true support for Gob. The support in Kyo/Wiz turned on Gob, and on a gamestate level, that feels like Gob is in this game alone, and thus town.

Wiz/Kyo is not pure imo, and I think I'm leaning Wiz.

Wiz/Hu Tao

Hu Tao, sorry if you're town, not trying to push you today, something I can't shake with you. At least it'll keep you alive if you are town.

alright sick

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm hesitant to turn on Wiz, but if Gob and Naerys are town, they look baaaad

???? what have i done wrong lol

you guys just say stuff sometimes

I was talking about Wiz looking bad if you and Naerys are town.

[Naerys]

I know, i had kinda bad start. I hate d1, after d2 my brain works better

[Flavor Leaf]

not supposed to be 100% correct Day 1, we have nothing to go off of.

That's why it's so easy for scum to run circles around town early game, and if they dont plan for late game, if one scum go down, it's a domino effect.

@RCE - Maybe we just end the day on Gob and move forward? They've been a key figure in the game, we don't get any more claims, and we can move onto Day 2 fresh from the night.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, let's do it.

VOTE: Gob

Someone hammer. Cops on Hu Tao.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden, RCE, and Naerys are my top right now. Yes, I've flipped on Naerys again after that interaction.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thomith/Hu Tao/Gob is possible.

Thomith/Hu Tao has partner equity.

I've liked Thomith's play, but if Gob or Hu Tao ever flip scum, their ISO looks partnery.

[Thomith]

Can we hold to give me a second to reread this all and catch my bearings because this whole push has felt super fucking weird to me.

[Thomith]

Thomith/Hu Tao/Gob is possible.

Thomith/Hu Tao has partner equity.

I've liked Thomith's play, but if Gob or Hu Tao ever flip scum, their ISO looks partnery.

Can you explain why?

[AnimatedWiz]

Can we hold to give me a second to reread this all and catch my bearings because this whole push has felt super fucking weird to me.

You have time—it’s E-2, so I doubt anyone will be able to hammer for a few hours even if they wanted to.

[Flavor Leaf]

im gonna slow down. I'm in a rapidly read changing mode because of Kyo/Gob slots and i keep bouncing back and forth on Gob, which changes everything in my reads.

I'm decently happy seeing Kyo as town right now, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thomith/Hu Tao/Gob is possible.

Thomith/Hu Tao has partner equity.

I've liked Thomith's play, but if Gob or Hu Tao ever flip scum, their ISO looks partnery.

Can you explain why?

it's the way you've defended them and the way Hu Tao has town read you.

It's not the reads or the act of defending itself, it's specifically the how.

You've posted in defense of both Hu Tao and Gob, almost anytime it comes up, and Hu Tao has chosen to town read you on a pedestal. Maybe town Hu Tao genuinely town reads you, maybe scumTao wants to pocket you, but it's felt kind of like a blanket read where neither of you have explained your reasoning for town reading the other.

So something is going on there.

[Flavor Leaf]

It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.

Is this something you think you'd be able to explain tomorrow if we're both still alive?

you can't outwardly scum read Flavor when Flavor's scum in the early game

We had a town vig act like they were gonna town read me recently when I was scum, and I smelt the shot coming my way despite being town read, and I dunk tunneled it.

Always remember, it doesn't matter if people scum read you...you need 7 people to outwardly be okay with killing you in a 13p game. Don't try to even out all the baskets, put some extra eggs in higher stock defenses.

[Thomith]

Gob I understand how that would look bad on me if they flip scum.

I disagree that I haven't explained my Hu Tao Town Read, I feel like I have - I have a complete different feel from them than the last Micro where they were Scum.
I do understand the Hu Tao randomly putting me on a "Town Pedestal" - I don't understand why you don't mentioned the possibility of Me/Naerys though, since I feel like she has done a similar thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gob I understand how that would look bad on me if they flip scum.

I disagree that I haven't explained my Hu Tao Town Read, I feel like I have - I have a complete different feel from them than the last Micro where they were Scum.
I do understand the Hu Tao randomly putting me on a "Town Pedestal" - I don't understand why you don't mentioned the possibility of Me/Naerys though, since I feel like she has done a similar thing.

that's fair, i might have missed the reasoning/forgot.

I don't really think it's Naerys right now. I had a moment of doubt, but it was immediately comforted with Naerys posting.

[AnimatedWiz]

I do think it is worth noting that Thomith has been townread by pretty much everyone so far—I think Hu Tao stating a strong townread on them without much explanation is less suspicious in that context.

[Flavor Leaf]

That's fair. As Hu Tao stated, they haven't done much, so I might be defaulting to Hu tao because I'm in a reevaluation state.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Gob

[Flavor Leaf]

@Mod - i think Wiz voted Gob a couple pages ago.

gob (5): Bingle, Roden, ssbm_kyouko, AnimatedWiz, Naerys


there is scum here somewhere, which kinda sucks, because I town read all 5 of them at times. i just dont see zero scum being on Gob, even if Gob is scum.

Honestly, especially if Gob is scum. If Gob is town, I almost think it's more likely no scum are on him.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we hold to give me a second to reread this all and catch my bearings because this whole push has felt super fucking weird to me.

You have time—it’s E-2, so I doubt anyone will be able to hammer for a few hours even if they wanted to.

This was actually E-1 since you were on the wagon as well, just not on the Vote Count, correct?

[Thomith]

VOTE: RCenigma

If Gob flips scum I feel like SirCakez is likely town for this vote - there doesn't seem to be any momentum in a RCE counterwagon, and the gob wagon was gaining speed. I feel like if Gob/SirCakez are partners, that it makes more sense for him to a) bus, or b) try and jump on or make a counterwagon that might grow, rather than a random vote.

If i die shoot cakez btw vigi

Secondly, if gob does flip scum, following Kyouko's train of logic, I feel like this could be gob playing into this to try and make Cakez look bad.

I... hm. I sort of follow this theory, and I'd also like to add that, uh, if we keep gob around, we may have the issue of having to constantly choose between him and other wagons due to how he plays—if we keep him around and he's town, the scumteam is likely to just push him to try to get a miselim later on. I'd rather enter LimLo with more players I feel confident in my townreads on to avoid that risk. I, uh, am unsure if this is the definitely

correct

option, but it would make sorting a lot easier, I think?

It's a little bit of a selfish reason, but VOTE: gob.

I dislike the jumping on the wagon with what seems like an over-explanation, and a lot of hedging (I'm unsure if this is the correct option, I sort of follow this theory), but still small statements that seem to be pushing along this wagon too (it would make sorting a lot easier, I'd rather enter LimLo with more players i confidently townread ect).

Can Kyouko and Dunn explain the AnimatedWiz votes bc I am possibly amenable to that wagon too but I need to here why u guys went there

It was pointed out that they may have been giving reads too easily. I decided I do not townread them and would be fine voting there.

What do you think of the gob wagon?

I’m a fan of crackpot theories. I think it’s a little, in the weeds. But I like kyouko for it.

Kyouko how does it change your gob view if I’m town?

It kind of destroys the premise no?

No, because I'm not confident that he

always

addresses town by name when he's scum. I am confident he

never*

addresses scumpartners by name, which means if a name was mentioned and gob flips scum, that name is clear.

You would be, in my eyes, the most likely of the pool of 5 to flip scum though because he did address you and didn't use your name. I'm being bold in assuming you would be scum off of that, but I think the townclears would be solid and we'd be looking for 2 scum in 5 players if gob flips scum

*Except that one time he addressed Traitor!FL by name, but even then before he was positive FL was a traitor he capitalized his name, afterward it got more casual with lowercase "flavor"

This feels more similar to the Kyouko that I remember. This makes me feel a lot better about her.

Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Updating this: Thom still solid town. Flavor is being flavor and i dont really have reason to suspect him at this moment.
I would love some read list from Bingle- could you please share some, when u are up to it?

Cakez i dont know so he is harder to grasp. I may need more time to get a solid read on this slot. Null for now
Hu Tao - could you write a RL please?

Cele- 505 and 508 are giving me few towny vibes
Gob-isnt being much helpful, so he could be scum, he is just hard to read for me

AWiz- feels town
Roden-shifted towards null
Dunn- idk, suspicious absence
RCE-null
kyou-shoots straight into strong town from post 477 onwards, solid solving

Arguments against gob feel solid.

Possible scum team gob-dunn-rce? if gob is town vca will be interesting

VOTE: gob

The bolded is partnery, and extra explanations. Naerys also has a lot of fluffy questions and requests from players this game.

To confirm I understand, were you saying Naerys may be partners with the people bolded, or partners with gob?