In post 1715, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 215, Hu Tao wrote:
This seems a bit overly defensive. In a weird way, I could see this be teammate talk. But not too strong of a read right now
!!!!!
Calling it. I was right on this.
VOTE: Elements
Let's listen to me today
I have no problem with these first two votes, I think both these players are pretty likely town here and I'm not pinged by either of these votes.
This upon rereading feels a little "flat" compared to how it should feel? town!Celebloki is supposed to think he has a mechanical guilty here, and this doesn't read like a guilty should to me. There's no excitement whatsoever.
In post 1737, Naerys wrote:
In post 1733, Naerys wrote:
Since i have seen town!Tao lie about being doctor, i suppose she could be town.
I dont see what scum!Broccoli would gain from defending town!Tao - more likely he would support the easy lim. Defending Hu Tao makes sense only in case of both town or both scum. Both being scum is something to think about.
Havent finished my thoughts here, lol. Sent it by mistake.
Anyway, while faking doctor is something Hu Tao did as town, i think we need to look at her behavior since beginning. First she claims vanilla, then when she gets pushed she claims doctor. At the very best she feels untrustworthy, at the worst these are scummy moves. She could be doing it bcz she knows there are players who have seen her faking doctor as town, so she counts on that those will TR her.
Conclusion: flipping Hu gives us decent info. It solves potential Hu+Broccoli+Gamma buddies.
VOTE: Hu Tao
I don't really love this reasoning - I think it's already pretty clear from yesterDay that Broccoli and Gamma are not partnered, but it's early in the Day and I don't think many people had re-read for associations yet. I'm giving this vote the benefit of my existing TR on Naerys and am looking elsewhere.
Once again this is NAI, but we are in D2 now and I'm starting to feel like Elements is maybe hiding behind their posting style.
In post 1766, Elements wrote:
In post 1755, DragonEater70 wrote:
Naerys it pains me to say this but I agree with Hu Tao that your read is rubbish.
Pedit: Gamma is a her btw.
Additionally, Elements you should probably unvote HT if you are town.
Yeah I should
UNVOTE:
I think if Elements had a scum motivation to be voting Hu Tao though that maybe they hold on a little harder than this? I believe I already noted they never go back to voting HT so tentatively I'm not seeing scum motivation. Hoping to see Elements step up a little more toDay though.
In post 1771, Naerys wrote:
In post 1768, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1231, Celebloki wrote:
Even though she wants me dead, I still don't think Kyouko's the play today.
This might seem completely out of left field, but I am just pondering scenario's.
In a game this size, and considering Hu Tao's claim of Complex Indecisive Doctor, is a second town protective role likely balance-wise or would that be too town sided?
I think i was hasty in believing Celebloki.
UNVOTE: Hu tao
This is again, a reasonable unvote. I didn't see scum motivation in getting onto the wagon and I don't see this as scum getting off when momentum slows down either
In post 1784, Keyleth wrote:
VOTE: Elements
Yeah, if two of my big townreads are on this I will offer my support!
Looking just at this vote I thought Keyleth ignored the guilty on Hu Tao but actually she just refutes it in
1778 saying that from the Gamma flip, HT is pretty likely town, same for Guillo and Celebloki. She attributes the reasoning to their votes on the Gamma flash wagon, so I'll want to look at Celebloki's later and see if I can see what Keyleth saw. I kinda like this because I think scum's plan coming in to toDay was to push Hu Tao (I think this might be the main reason Black was killed) and if Keyleth were scum I don't think she needs to put down her vote on a Hu Tao counterwagon. She barely voted at all yesterDay. The fact she barely voted yesterDay could indicate that as scum, this vote is meant to go against what the rest of the team is doing. Black did think Keyleth and I were scum together, and Gamma sheeped that reasoning. I think Gamma did the same in OMB - some towny, Smoke and Mirrors I believe, thought I was scum with one of Gamma's partners, Something_Smart I think it was. Gamma was like "yeah they could be scum together" and voted me. I think Gamma's idea in that scenario is that she can angle to lim me before her partner and when I flip town she can renege on SRing her partner, while at the same time if her scumpartner is limmed first, she can angle to mislim me afterward.
Overall I like Keyleth's vote here but it gives me actual deepwolf vibes and I'm unwilling to clear her from toDay's pool off that.
In post 1801, Andresvmb wrote:
I’m in the middle of a deep dive of D1 so I’ll return with all my thoughts once I’ve fully caught up, which may take a few hours.
In the mean time,
VOTE: Elements.
I'm not sure why Andres votes here, I'd have to assume he is either sheeping TRs or is sheeping Hu Tao's call that Gamma and Elements are partnered. Reminder to ask Andres in a separate post
In post 1851, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 1844, Naerys wrote:
In post 1843, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 1839, TimmerRC wrote:
So Hu lied about their claim
but it's cool because they are obv-town, Dunn can't understand Black's role and how it resulted in Gamma's death, Celeb soft-suggested a protective role and apparently crumbed some clues but now says they are an investigator and yet we are believing them as well even though they will explain itall tomorrow, does that sum things up?
Was there a hard-claim on this?
If so I DO want this slot resolved NOW.
At the beginning Hu claimed vanilla, later after being pushed claimed doctor, its somewhere in her iso. I would find it, but i need to go to work
If this is the case then I'd like to see this slot flip Day 2.
VOTE: Hu Tao
"
if so
I DO want this slot resolved NOW" and "
if this is the case
then I'd like to see this slot flip Day 2." - both of the bolded read as a little hedgey and overly justified to me. Like, if you don't know for sure, and you want to be sure, then check for yourself before you vote. I just feel like this vote really wants to look "correct", and RN wants people reading it to think the "correct" play is to lim Hu Tao. If I'm right about why Black died and that Hu Tao was the target coming in to toDay this is either very scumsiding town or just obvscum. I'm inclined to say RN is scumsiding for now due to Gamma interactions, but this is concerning in a town!HT world
In post 1878, Naerys wrote:
Hu Tao vs Celebloki could contain a scum.
Hu Tao looks much worse, that slot is untrustworthy. Starting with her is less risky than limming potential useful town PR but also her flip gets plenty of useful info.
I wanted to go this way but allowed Broccoli and Hu to make me hesitate.
Out of the 3 i feel like Hu has the best chance of rolling scum.
VOTE: Hu Tao
Now Naerys is back to a possible Gamma, Hu Tao, Broccoli pairing I think, based on "Out of the 3" - she only mentions HT, Broccoli, and Celebloki in that post. I think if you think of what is more likely, based on the way Celebloki targeted last Night, that Celebloki is more likely scum that Hu Tao. I'd like to give him at least one more Night to make a better decision before considering limming him though.
At least one of these last 3 is scum and it's looking like Roden to me based on Dunn's claim and Guillo's associations to Gamma
I forgot why I quoted this one but it feels like it was important
