In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
And has that helped you read the slot?
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
it's also very reactive and not very proactive
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
And has that helped you read the slot?
Obviously not LMAO but that's just shit play not scummy play.
In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
And has that helped you read the slot?
Obviously not LMAO but that's just shit play not scummy play.
I never said it was scummy play
But if you're so torn about your fire read, why aren't you pursuing avenues to try and fix that?
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
it's also very reactive and not very proactive
Why are you surprised that someone's started pushing me and then I've become focused on that push to the point where I stop doing the proactive things? This happens so often do you not remember Karmadog & I? Or maybe HEM & I?
In post 723, Elements wrote:
For someone that doesn't have any red reads in the big hood and is agonising over fire you haven't asked fire a single quesiton have you?
I've been interacting with Fire more than any other player in the game since the push started? I've just been focused on the push rather than trying to get him to commit to reads on small hood players.
And has that helped you read the slot?
Obviously not LMAO but that's just shit play not scummy play.
I never said it was scummy play
But if you're so torn about your fire read, why aren't you pursuing avenues to try and fix that?
I was. I thought if I could solve whether the content of the push was any good, then I could use that to solve the slot.
But then when displaying those thoughts there are definitely town players disagreeing with me there (that or just mindlessly agreeing with Fire but I'd like to think it's the former).
I think Meuh is town based on the pairing situation with small hood members. 526 & 533 outline this thought process pretty clearly.
Based on this, the fact you & Ari were both more than happy to get that wagon over the line (or at least, displaying as much at the time. I know you're saying you thought it was at E-2) is scummy af. It would have ended the day early, losing us info and time sending town into a scramble (something I know you as scum see as a viable strat). Ydra could maybe in a small world be red but the way you two acted there makes me think that one of you two is way more likely to be the scum of the three.
I think Meuh is town based on the pairing situation with small hood members. 526 & 533 outline this thought process pretty clearly.
Based on this, the fact you & Ari were both more than happy to get that wagon over the line (or at least, displaying as much at the time. I know you're saying you thought it was at E-2) is scummy af. It would have ended the day early, losing us info and time sending town into a scramble (something I know you as scum see as a viable strat). Ydra could maybe in a small world be red but the way you two acted there makes me think that one of you two is way more likely to be the scum of the three.
Why do you think Ari would have hammered?
Do you not think it was to see how I would respond?
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald All my completed games
I think Meuh is town based on the pairing situation with small hood members. 526 & 533 outline this thought process pretty clearly.
Based on this, the fact you & Ari were both more than happy to get that wagon over the line (or at least, displaying as much at the time. I know you're saying you thought it was at E-2) is scummy af. It would have ended the day early, losing us info and time sending town into a scramble (something I know you as scum see as a viable strat). Ydra could maybe in a small world be red but the way you two acted there makes me think that one of you two is way more likely to be the scum of the three.
Why do you think Ari would have hammered?
Do you not think it was to see how I would respond?
Annoyingly she didn't respond to my 589 lol, but yea I think she absolutely could have there. From her POV as scum getting that reaction and then getting the flip is huge for progressing the game and giving her slot really strong reasons to scumread people. She can go for you egging her on to do it, she can go for me based on Fire's push at the time.
I don't even think it's a bad idea if she goes down instantly afterwards. I accidentally used clocktower notation in 591 but if she hammers a big hood player, kills ydra in the night, makes it a 50/50 between you two and then if she dies you die and it's a final 5 with not that much good info and if you die she lives and scum get to force their preferred final 3.
Same logic applies if you're scum egging on a town!ari to hammer as well. You can use the same gameplan.
In post 743, Elements wrote:
Reds only kill in the small hood when the small hood red has flipped
Not if that player surviving hurts their chances. Ydra dying forces the 50/50 in that scenario and draws all attention away from the big hood and solving those players.
The plan there also avoids the world where it's final 5 + a confirmed town if scum!Ari/you goes down before the other. I looked up the odds on the EV project wiki post and it's only 50/50 for mafia to win that assuming random voting, so I think they do prolly need to kill Ydra there to avoid a tough world for them.
Like, I hope you can see how hammering or egging on the hammer as the small hood mafia there is actually a pretty good strat that sets the remaining mafia up to be in a guaranteed playable position later into the game.
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