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NekoLover He/HimGoonHe/Him
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I'm still present, just don't see much to comment on
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Also UNVOTE: FakeGod
VOTE: Klick
After reading all that i'm more confident fakegod is town-
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Klick failing to unvote Black at E-1 is sai. Especially failing to in 36 since Klick says,In post 423, FakeGod wrote:
Because how short it was since game start, and because the mod's votecount on page 2 did not reflect a E-1 state, a scum player could plausibly place a hammer on Black and evade responsibility Day 2, essentially gaining a free mis-execute. Therefore, this action of holding the E-1 wagon on page 2 is scum-favored.In post 415, KawaiiKame wrote:I'm not following the logic to voting Klick with town-reading Sky's reasoning and Dragon's post. Is voting Klick PoE? What's your scum case on Klick? If I missed it let me know
4 people created the E-1 wagon on page 2. Their names are Klick, NekoLover, DragonEater70, and Skygazer. They held it until Neko unvoted at his earliest convenience, so I would remove Neko from the scum pool. Skygazer is the one who put poor Black on E-1 to begin with, but it was because he thought he saw a scumslip. If I saw a scumslip, I would take the same action he did. Dragon put momentum on the wagon by being the 3rd vote on the wagon, and my initial suspect out of the group (hence my early vote). I admit I did like 154. It felt a little hare-brained to me, but it could at least stumble through it and see what Dragon was thinking.
This leaves Klick. He said his first vote was RVS vote. Despite seeing Black pushed into E-1, he conveniently sidestepped the issue in his 36. Seems like he wants the job done but he doesn't want to say so outright. This looks scummy to me.
I hope this explains my voting of Klick to you.
Leaving Black at E-1 without sorting her alignment through behavior makes 0 sense to me, feels antithetical to what Klick said. This was the perfect time to unvote Black and Klick failed to. Klick may have failed to realize Black was at E-1. At best Klick didn't realize, at worst Klick was content with Black being eliminated page 2.In post 36, Klick wrote: We put quite a bit of stake in the ability to sort alignment through behaviour,
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I'll probably read more in detail later, but right now I think Black is town - I have seen town!Black react this way before to pressure, but I haven't seen scum!Blacl act this way. Of course I could be wrong but whatever.
Klick is still town and the fact that Dann is not explaining his read on Klick means I am not going to explain my read on Klick either.
K bye for now-
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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EBWOPIn post 429, DragonEater70 wrote: I'll probably read more in detail later, but right now I think Black is town - I have seen town!Black react this way before to pressure, but I haven't seen scum!Blacl act this way. Of course I could be wrong but whatever.
Klick is still town and the fact that Dann is not explaining his read on Klickjust to spite memeans I am not going to explain my read on Klick either.
K bye for now-
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Since people (FakeGod in the post Kawaii quoted) are apparently upset about the page 2 wagon still, I am going to say that I think if Black is town then that actually makes Sky a whole less towny in my eyes (my read on Sky was basically "null but unpartnered with Black") and probably the scummiest person on Black's wagon, over Klick.
However reading Kawaii's interaction with FakeGod, yikes. I am pretty sure Kawaii is scum.
VOTE: Kawaii-
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DragonEater70 He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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On second thoughts msybe that's just Kawaii's playstyle, I think I maybe saw similar interactions from them as town before
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Honestly, my feeling here is that klick + dann is scum; dann in general has felt like scum for just mostly lurking and refusing to share his insight. Klick i've been kinda back and forth on but now I'm just rather firm on the idea that he's scum-
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Interested in your read on Klick
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Hey that's my tin foil solve, give it backIn post 433, NekoLover wrote: Honestly, my feeling here is that klick + dann is scum; dann in general has felt like scum for just mostly lurking and refusing to share his insight. Klick i've been kinda back and forth on but now I'm just rather firm on the idea that he's scum-
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I think Kawaii jumping in and immediately defending FakeGod was a little jarring. I think there's partner equity here
Neko still feels town but a lot of his reads and opinions are unoriginal and he's been getting on and off lots of wagons as they gain/lose momentum. This isn't necessarily scum indicative but it's something I did a lot in my first scum game on the site so it makes me a little wary-
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Honestly I don't think you did anything that would require you to apologize to me. You're just playing the game. I got a little irritated when you said you were salty about me not engaging with you because it's something Shea does to me a lot and I really hate feeling like I have to engage with someone or else they'll be mad at me. Then you said you didn't give a damn about my Klick read and that bothered me too. But I still don't think you crossed a line. I did however. So I'm sorry for calling you an asshole and being a little brat. I had a really bad day. I'll try to control myself moving forwardIn post 436, DragonEater70 wrote: Sorry Black btw-
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I try my best to not make things toxic and I think I've been pretty good about it lately. I slipped up today. I'm never going to be fully comfortable getting scumcased for what I consider to be bad reasons but that's no excuse to take it to the level I did-
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NekoLover He/HimGoonHe/Him
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Oh yea that is true, I came up with the same read as you lol;In post 435, Black wrote:
Hey that's my tin foil solve, give it backIn post 433, NekoLover wrote: Honestly, my feeling here is that klick + dann is scum; dann in general has felt like scum for just mostly lurking and refusing to share his insight. Klick i've been kinda back and forth on but now I'm just rather firm on the idea that he's scum
My points I think for
Dann: Dann is just very distant, lurking a fair amount; they haven't spoke much yet except to vote klick, which as DE7 mentioned, it does appear to be distancing between the two. Also writes it off as
All around I don't like how he's remaining distant and trying to direct votes while also not sharing his town read on klickIn post 324, Dannflor wrote: I think klick is approaching this in a way that doesn’t optically make him look very good
Klick: A bit more complicated really; Klick did seem to hard tunnel black a bit early in the game when she was at great risk of being eliminated
Considering FakeGod also pointed out that Klick also contributed to Black's page 2 E-1, and I don't have any reason to believe the other two to be scum (DE7, Sky), it feels natural for me to believe it might be those two, given the previous supposed distancing, and their interactions together come off as relatively scummyIn post 184, Klick wrote:
I'm not really swayed by your case on Black but regardless I think Black!scum is pretty plausible atpIn post 178, DragonEater70 wrote:
Read on Black?In post 161, Klick wrote: DragonEater even more town
She needs to start towning yesterday-
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OkayIn post 438, Black wrote:
Honestly I don't think you did anything that would require you to apologize to me. You're just playing the game. I got a little irritated when you said you were salty about me not engaging with you because it's something Shea does to me a lot and I really hate feeling like I have to engage with someone or else they'll be mad at me. Then you said you didn't give a damn about my Klick read and that bothered me too. But I still don't think you crossed a line. I did however. So I'm sorry for calling you an asshole and being a little brat. I had a really bad day. I'll try to control myself moving forwardIn post 436, DragonEater70 wrote: Sorry Black btw
I wasn't actually mad at you for not engaging with me, it was mostly a joke, so sorry I gave that impression
And I accept your apology <3-
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I don't agree with this; I think kawaii was more trying to get a feel for FakeGod's read, and if anything it seemed like she was looking to poke holes in his storyIn post 437, Black wrote: I think Kawaii jumping in and immediately defending FakeGod was a little jarring. I think there's partner equity here-
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I agree Black's assessment of Kawaii, I also found it jarring-
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I'll let Dann respond to your other points but this in particular isn't alignment indicative. Dann has had a busy weekend with family in town so he hasn't been on the site much at allIn post 440, NekoLover wrote: Dann is just very distant, lurking a fair amount-
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Also for future reference - is saying "I don't give a damn" offensive? I am not a native English speaker and sometimes I give different weight to words than native speakers.-
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Yea that's true but it still rubs me the wrong way how he kept his klick town read personal after being called out by DE7 for potentially distancingIn post 444, Black wrote:
I'll let Dann respond to your other points but this in particular isn't alignment indicative. Dann has had a busy weekend with family in town so he hasn't been on the site much at allIn post 440, NekoLover wrote: Dann is just very distant, lurking a fair amount-
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Honestly, their interactions in general just feel very offputting to be honest-
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In post 411, KawaiiKame wrote:
May you please explain this? I just got in so Idk what you mean. What posts show FakeGod not solving?In post 404, Klick wrote:In short, I'm not convinced that FakeGod is solving instead of just posting enough out in the open designed to look plausible enough to get by atm
In post 414, KawaiiKame wrote:Skimming, definitely need to do in depth reading
Initially I'm seeing a lot of conflict, it's insane
These posts are what gave me the feelingIn post 418, KawaiiKame wrote:
I felt what FakeGod was being reasonable, 188 made sense minus the Klick vote.In post 416, Black wrote:
So you skimmed before asking Klick about FakeGod? Did you feel like Fake was solving in the posts you read?In post 414, KawaiiKame wrote:Skimming, definitely need to do in depth reading
Initially I'm seeing a lot of conflict, it's insane
I saw 230 making sense initially but now I want elaboration why the poe specifically points to Klick.
I see the observations in 348 as good, sorting through playstyles vs. alignment.
In the first quote Kawaii mentions that he "just got in" so I got the impression that he didn't do much reading. It seemed weird that he questioned Klick's read right away and the timing made it worse considering the Fake wagon just gained steam
In the second quote he said he had skimmed the game, and in the third quote he gave a detailed analysis of why he thinks Fake is solving. It just felt strange for him to focus in on this one particular thing and it seems clear he spent a bit of time looking at it
I'm not sure if scum!kawaii would defend his buddy so hard right out the gate but it definitely gave me pause
Now that I'm looking at it I feel like Kawaii could be scum in a town!Fake world as well and he was using this as a launching point to make it seem like he's trying to solve. He could be trying a pockety type thing with Fake. I also think some of the stuff Kawaii asked after this felt odd, like the site meta from 5 years ago. I understand being interested in that type of stuff but it doesn't really pertain to this game and it seemed like posting just to post-
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It gives off the vibe of a really abrasive and aggressive tone and some people don't respond well to that. It's not crossing a line but I had a visceral reaction to itIn post 445, DragonEater70 wrote: Also for future reference - is saying "I don't give a damn" offensive? I am not a native English speaker and sometimes I give different weight to words than native speakers.
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