Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral hammering the way they did looks like scum locking in the hammer before people would get PR scared.

I hammered because given what Roden pointed out about Gob's play, I did not believe the claim. I did not want people to unvote, revealing themselves as not a doctor to the mafia; or have to try to push it through because their own role conflicted with what Gob claimed.

[Hu Tao]

I still think gob was fairly town. When hes scum he's just scummy. But it's hard to explain.

[Dunnstral]

Right now I suspect Flavor Leaf and AnimatedWiz.

[Hu Tao]

How come?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hu Tao - do you know you’re MBTI?

INFJ. How come?

I had a reason, but forgot it in the grammar debacle.

I’m ENFJ.

[Dunnstral]

How come?

For Flavor Leaf I don't like the way they pushed yesterday and now today. For AnimatedWiz I get the sense that they are playing back and trying to blend in while asking others their thoughts while occasionally trying to steer things towards an elimination on people pushing them.

[Thomith]

In all seriousness, Bingle/Dunn have partner equity imo.

Why do you think they have partner equity?

[Thomith]

How come?

For Flavor Leaf I don't like the way they pushed yesterday and now today. For AnimatedWiz I get the sense that they are playing back and trying to blend in while asking others their thoughts while occasionally trying to steer things towards an elimination on people pushing them.

You don't like the fact that they are pushing or you don't like exactly how they are pushing?

[Dunnstral]

They feel manipulative. Going after Gob yesterday and pushing Bingle and I today.

[RCEnigma]

Town readers of wiz, naerys, Dunn. Talk me through those.

Then we can talk about the vanity votes after.

[RCEnigma]

It is, I’d have to explain the rationale behind it for it to make sense, but then it loses value so.

Is this something you think you'd be able to explain tomorrow if we're both still alive?

I wanted to explain this bit, it’s not some grand gambit but at least for n1 with the way I tied myself to FL I guaranteed I live through the night.

If FL is town and I die I slingshot FL and give him more agency to push his reads via my read on him. If he’s scum he couldn’t kill me without making himself look bad because scum FL would have been targeting me with the intention of boosting his reads but I wasn’t so townie that I would be a conventional n1. So it’s suspicious.

It works both ways as well, we would be deadlocked regardless of alignment.

As far as pushing FLs targets even if I thought he was scum. He touched on it yesterday, you don’t get scum!FL limmed day 1. You have to weaponize them against themselves. It’s a slow burn that only really gets expedited with a guilty but even then it’s a tough ask to catch scum!fl.

[Flavor Leaf]

They feel manipulative. Going after Gob yesterday and pushing Bingle and I today.

I feel I’m pushing Hu Tao more than Bingle here. Me being alive makes Bingle town more likely after their setup yesterday.

[RCEnigma]

Solid town: Thomith - solves, his analysis feels logical and well thought
Maybe town: Flavor - he is aloof, but observing
Bingle -laid back at the beginning, but later he feels like he is trying to sort people

Null: Gob - unreadable pink fluff filled with pink fluff
Plus bunch of people that need to post more -Hu, SirCakez, Cele

Scumlean: Roden - doesnt do much, just some empty sentences
Kyou: Slightly better than Roden, might replace some lurkers in the null reads tbh, i feel like scum is trying to stay in the shadows at this moment

Updating this: Thom still solid town. Flavor is being flavor and i dont really have reason to suspect him at this moment.
I would love some read list from Bingle- could you please share some, when u are up to it?

Cakez i dont know so he is harder to grasp. I may need more time to get a solid read on this slot. Null for now
Hu Tao - could you write a RL please?
Cele- 505 and 508 are giving me few towny vibes
Gob-isnt being much helpful, so he could be scum, he is just hard to read for me

AWiz- feels town
Roden-shifted towards null
Dunn- idk, suspicious absence
RCE-null
kyou-shoots straight into strong town from post 477 onwards, solid solving

Arguments against gob feel solid. Possible scum team gob-dunn-rce? if gob is town vca will be interesting
VOTE: gob

This still where you are with the flip?

[RCEnigma]

Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.

[RCEnigma]

Town

: Thomith, Kyouko

Townlean

: Hu Tao, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, Roden

Null

: Celebloki

Scumlean

: RCEnigma, gob, SirCakez

Scum

: Bingle, Dunnstral

Nvm found it, so

Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> SR -> Dunn

[Bingle]

Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.

Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.

[RCEnigma]

Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.

Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.

If gob got flipped through a doc claim with no scum input, I’d be pretty surprised.

I’m town, fl town, kyouko flipped town, I’m taking FLs Roden read at face value as town.

Naerys/Dunn/Wiz is left over on the wagon and highly likely to contain at least 1 scum and in that trio 2 are opposed to Dunn. I think it’s fairly interesting.

[Bingle]

Dunnstral hammering the way they did looks like scum locking in the hammer before people would get PR scared.

The hammer was fine-ish, other than that it stopped me from being able to post eod thoughts. I don’t find that to be sketch from Dunn, but I can understand your thought process wrt me/Dunn being a thing.

[RCEnigma]

I sometimes forget you guys aren’t in my head.

[Flavor Leaf]

End of day

gob

(7): Roden,

ssbm_kyouko

, AnimatedWiz, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma, Dunnstral
SirCakez (2): Thomith, Hu Tao
RCEnigma (1): SirCakez
ssbm_kyouko (1): Celebloki
Flavor Leaf (1):

gob

Roden (1): Bingle


Who was the counterwagon? Cakez? I think Wiz was the main counterwagon of Day 1.

1.05

gob

(4): SirCakez, Bingle, Roden, Flavor Leaf
AnimatedWiz (3):

ssbm_kyouko

, Hu Tao, Dunnstral
Flavor Leaf (1):

gob

Hu Tao (1): Naerys
RCEnigma (1): RCEnigma
Dunnstral (1): Thomith

ssbm_kyouko

(1): AnimatedWiz

Not voting (1): Celebloki

Roden and I being on Gob for both of these, Roden never leaving, is pretty townie for them, imo. Like, I just don't see the purpose of going for Gob that way as scum. I won't use that defense for me, but there were much better pushes. It's confirmed to have been a lhf fade. The AnimatedWiz wagon looks bad here. It's a 'there's scum on the wagon, or Wiz is scum' kinda thing.

Gob wagon can have scum or not, i think Gob's the type that scum would for sure just let town try to misfade, which is why I think it's not impossible for either 1.05 or end of day to be all town.

That being said, I think there's only 1 max scum on Gob in 1.05. If there are 2, it doesn't make a lot of sense here that Gob wagon stayed as the main one, even after Bingle/Cakez moved away. And I already explained why it's kinda weird for Roden (and myself, but I digress) to stay on Gob that way.

Also, why is Cakez on RCEnigma over me?

End of day wagon has 1 scum in Dunnstral or Naerys, or no scum at all. I'm already town reading Naerys, but for completionist's sake. RCEnigma, idk, i just dont see this as scum.

Thomith and Hu Tao on SirCakez means there's likely at least a scum in that section, and the fact that overlaps with the Wiz one, I really do think we're living in a Hu Tao Scum world.

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Cakez is my solve right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cakez and Dunnstral playing scum objective based, and I'll quote the post with my Hu Tao case

[Bingle]

Naerys -> SR -> Dunn -> SR -> Wiz -> idk I didn’t get to their recent reads or I skipped over it. But it’s still an interesting triangle.

Is it an interesting triangle because any three individual points form a triangle? Cause I’m not seeing a why to tie those three together.

If gob got flipped through a doc claim with no scum input, I’d be pretty surprised.

I’m town, fl town, kyouko flipped town, I’m taking FLs Roden read at face value as town.

Naerys/Dunn/Wiz is left over on the wagon and highly likely to contain at least 1 scum and in that trio 2 are opposed to Dunn. I think it’s fairly interesting.

Honestly, I’d be surprised at no scum on wagon exactly as much as I’d be surprised at a normal D1 wagon having no scum. A day one pr claim hammer seems likely to draw unwanted attention and so is probably a town move overall.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Gob

Day got juicier.

Hu Tao TMI’ing Gob possibility tips the scale to where I think Gob is more likely to flip town than scum, whereas before the chance was more likely scum than town, which is always a good roll on Day 1.

Gob got White Knighted.

Fun thing about this is both Gob and Wiz were my candidates. It’s possible they are both town.

I don’t think I was hiding it very well, but I think Hu Tao is pretty obv scum here.

Not necessarily caring about their fade today because I think it’s just infinitely hard to fade someone like Hu Tao Scum on a Day 1, also in ways it’s not worth it sometimes.

But by their own admission, they were trying to ‘do nothing’ to get town read. This means they are actively trying to position themselves in a specific way in the game.

On top of this, when I stated they had done things already, they were salty because they thought they had ‘literally done nothing’. That reeks of scum being upset they got caught for wrong reasons.

Now the advocate for Vig on FL after I advocated for Cop on Hu Tao.

I would say bar a couple players, I am generally a solid town read player for most players. The difference is, I’m wanting Hu Tao checked, which if they are town, is very beneficial in the long run, especially towards someone who has been actively trying to become town read.

By their own admission, they’ve been ‘doing nothing’ on purpose to get town read, and that’s like the perfect investigative action onto a slot that’s in the background like that, and especially on a sneaky scum like her.

She advocates for a Vig on me, taking me out of the game.

That is a direct Threat Challenging of me. I want to town read Hu Tao if she’s town.

She wants me to die.

She doesn’t have to worry about reading me here.

It also helps guide a Vig off of scum team and onto a claimed Vanilla Townie.

If I am the only death, and ANYONE claims Vig, Hu Tao is scum here.

None of that maybe Vig targeted same player, maybe someone protected.

I have coasted so many games from a Vig claim, partner Vig claim, that I know how to set things up like that.

That is a potential crumb setup by Hu Tao in case they get Gunsmith guiltied they have that to fall back on.

And let me say, it’s not one of these that make Hu Tao scum, it is the collection of these together.

Individually, some of these could be townie even, but together, Hu Tao is a scum slot.

Celebloki
Thomith
Naerys

RCEnigma
Roden
Gob
AnimatedWiz

ssbm_kyouko
Dunnstral
Bingle
SirCakez

Hu Tao

Bout where I'm at. I think there's probably 1 scum in my top 2 tiers, and then 2 scum in my bottom 3. This is more doing pools rather than a tier list, like for instance, I can make a Bingle/Kyouko town case, but I am paranoid of Bingle. Like I have a hard time seeing Kyouko make that case on Gob as scum, however, the Kyouko/Hu Tao on AnimatedWiz earlier is hard to not see it as potential partner, however, this goes in Hu Tao favor if scum Tao/kyouko town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Interesting night kill?

Oh did she claim doc?

Interesting night kill?

lol

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why am I scum again?

these posts just dont sit right with me. The interesting night kill? looks so fake to me and i usually get pinged hard when Hu Tao's scum doing stuff like this.

[Bingle]

Cakez and Dunnstral playing scum objective based, and I'll quote the post with my Hu Tao case

I think that’s at most two scum, and even then it’s a stretch. I’m down to hear a Hu Tao case though.