Large Normal 246: Game Over

[Dunnstral]

Did you not protect Celeboki?

[Enchant]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

[Dunnstral]

I misunderstood the claim a little, I just looked up what combined does.

Macho means they can't be protected. Combined means they use both of their abilities on the same target. Disloyal means that action only targets opposite alignments.

So assuming town, this role targets only mafia with a night kill, but then Random Nurse dies due to the bodyguard. Though it also looks like the bodyguard can be used on its own on town players, since the vigilante part does not activate.

So Random Nurse should be announcing their targets ahead of time, otherwise they die during the night and we have no idea where they targeted.

[Dunnstral]

Miller does not interact with disloyal; Targeting a town miller with a town disloyal vigilante would not cause a shot to be fired

[Random Nurse]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

If I target Town do I and then due? It if I target Scum?

I can't be protected so do I figured I'd claim it and then Town can discuss how to best use it.

[Random Nurse]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

If I target Town do I and them die? If I target Scum do both of us die?

I can't be protected so do I figured I'd claim it and then Town can discuss how to best use it.

[Enchant]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

Asking mod be like:

no

[Random Nurse]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

Asking mod be like:

no

No offense to Bingle but he didn't explain it that well either.

[Hu Tao]

So, Celebloki did not lie about his claim on Hu Tao.

Let's flip Hu Tao.

Good luck. Let me know how that goes

[Hu Tao]

I'm a "Macho Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante."

Um. So why would we have 3 protectives?

[Hu Tao]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

If I target Town do I and then due? It if I target Scum?

I can't be protected so do I figured I'd claim it and then Town can discuss how to best use it.

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[Hu Tao]

You could have just asked mod to clarify till you understood. Well either way say your target before we vote enchant today.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

RN should target VT claims to see if he can get any clears probably

[Hu Tao]

Okay target Timmer imo. Enough people tr me that it'll be a waste.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

His target should not be publicized though, because he can kill himself targeting scum, it would just be WIFOM as to whether he killed himself or scum killed him based on who he was going to target

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We're currently at 10-2 with 4 confirms if I'm remembering this game right. 8-2, 6-2, 4-2, we have 3 mislims before MELO and RN can confirm townies every day as long as he lives, and if he dies we dont lose a mislim because we're on evens.

Let's finish the massclaim and find the line, I suspect mechanically we're able to lock this one down toDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Presumably one of the last 2 scum has already fakeclaimed a PR but if all the claims are legit we should be ok, and if there is a liar the mechanics should out them

[Dunnstral]

If the target is not public then they die at night and we have no info

[Dunnstral]

RN can confirm townies every day as long as he lives,

I imagine the mafia will take issue with that and kill him. At least it buys time for the outted friendly neighbors.

[Dunnstral]

Balance wise I am a little suspicious. Mafia have to kill both friendly neighbors and Random Nurse. Imagine if Random Nurse had used their role to confirm people, or if Celeboki had rolecopped a miller; Or both. Mafia need to kill through 5+ cleared townies and town power roles, and that's assuming they kill the power roles on nights 1 and 2.

[Dunnstral]

Actually the alien is a nice counter to that. Random Nurse needs to announce target ahead of time, rolecop if claimed can easily be inferred to be going on the miller claims depending on how the thread goes. Friendly neighbors can be blocked.

[Hu Tao]

Town does seem very strong right now. I guess it can be swingy with Black's role but I'm not sure.

[Random Nurse]

I'll be targeting Hu Tao.

[TimmerRC]

These complex roles are beyond me. Can anyone summarize the basic case on Elements?

[Hu Tao]

I think we can vote enchant now