I'm pretty confident in my feeling that atleast one person on the wagon was scum. But perhaps the wagon moved too fast for scum to pile on/hammerIn post 574, FakeGod wrote: I will be reassessing the game under the assumption that there was no scum involvement in the page 2 E-1 wagon.
Those of you who still want to talk to me, I'll try my best to respond.
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Dann-I like Dann's switch in thought about Clap/Klick in 538 and 542, they show a fluidity in thinking and attention to detail specifically to Klick's words in 504. Though I disagree with Dann's conclusion of Klick feeling performative with replication, I do feel Klick is off this game; letting things happen instead of actively pursuing anyone. Dann's switch in thought is specifically surprising since he defended Klick previously in 324, 328, 332 Is this potentially distancing between Dann/Klick? Yes. Does this feel like a natural switch in thought with Dann reflecting on the game? Yes. Though partner equity between Dann/Klick exists it's lessened with this change in thought.
What concerns me though is this,
if Dann is scum he has the persuasive power to both defend and distance himself from Klick and to convince Black to vote clap twice in 333 (off of klick), and 556 to e-2. in defending and distancing from Klick, Black is a focal point, Dann mirroring her,In post 550, Dannflor wrote:
i don't feel as confident in my read on klickIn post 547, Black wrote: Why are you voting Clap over Klick when it seems pretty obvious that there is a bigger appetite for a Klick wagon
i think clap flips scum a lot of the time
i think there are some people on this playerlist who might be likely to follow me onto the wagon of my choosingIn post 327, Black wrote: I just think it seems really convenient to hop on my wagon despite not agreeing with any of the reasons why I could be scumIn post 328, Dannflor wrote: I think it’s reasonable for klick to want to pressure you
He doesn’t have to think you are lock scum like dragon to want to put pressure on you to sort you
What I mean by mirroring is Dann being defensive when Black is being accusatory, then Dann reflecting Black's klick read in thinking but not in action. Dann sees Black as town twice in 321 and 545In post 540, Black wrote:In post 538, Dannflor wrote: think klick/claptastik is still my top 360 no-scope pick for a scum team actually
This is hard to believe considering you townread him for *reasons* and tried to dismantle his wagonIn post 539, Dannflor wrote: I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting
I agree with Dann in Black being town. When initially reading the interactions between black and dann about klick made sense. If it's town/town both have diverging ways of thinking that end up to close to the same conclusions. If it's scum/town then Dann is pocketing Black. If scum/scum then this is a masterclass in deception especially with this in the game. The back and forth between black and dann feels way too organic to be calculated so I highly doubt scum parity exists between them. Dann's change in and flow of thought is in line with solving so I feel he slightly leans town at the edge of nai; his scum parity in potentially defending, distancing, and derailing votes off of klick weighing dann down. Since Klick is my highest scumread I want to flip Klick to see if Dann is town/scum.-
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I want to talk to you, who do you feel is scum outside of the people in the page 2 E-1 wagon.In post 574, FakeGod wrote: I will be reassessing the game under the assumption that there was no scum involvement in the page 2 E-1 wagon.
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Meh
I promise I'll read everything that transpired since my fight with Black at SOME point, but I am not sure it will be today because like Black I also got a job recently and have less time for mafia during the day.
And I already have plans for this evening.
I am still anti-voting Klick and will continue to do so until I see a good case against him (which I haven't seen yet. 504 is a pretty NAI post).
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In post 509, FakeGod wrote:
I reread that specific game about a month ago and it was fresh on my memory.In post 498, Claptastik wrote:Along those lines, I would think it took him significant time to find that game from 8 years ago.
There are probably other games like so, but I will have to look through to find them.
Why does this surprise you?In post 572, FakeGod wrote:
I've come back from work and this post caught my eye. I am saddened.In post 490, Klick wrote:In very brief: I was vaguely aware that Black was at E-1. I didn't care that much about it. In the very early stages of the game I find that sort of stuff somewhat amusing. If people want to do crazy stuff early on, that's their prerogative. Ultimately there's stuff to read into that sort of play. The E-1 contributed to us progressing the thread in a healthy way.
tl;dr risk-averse play during RVS is for losers.
It seems yet again that I'm faced with the stark reality that there are some players who will draw town and do anti-town things.
I did not expect Klick to just straight up admit that what he did was antitown and he doesn't care.
I have no coherent response.
Maybe page 2 E-1 wagon was just bunch of townies doing stunts, and I am simply... risk-averse.
In the game you linked, which you recently reread, the early hammer wasn't by scum looking for an excusable mislim.
It wasn't accidental, by town who didn't realize it was at E-1.
The hammer came from town who knowingly did an anti-town thing. He said "Quick day? Sure, why not." and then hammered.
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Wow it's almost like I told you it's NAIIn post 572, FakeGod wrote:
I've come back from work and this post caught my eye. I am saddened.In post 490, Klick wrote:In very brief: I was vaguely aware that Black was at E-1. I didn't care that much about it. In the very early stages of the game I find that sort of stuff somewhat amusing. If people want to do crazy stuff early on, that's their prerogative. Ultimately there's stuff to read into that sort of play. The E-1 contributed to us progressing the thread in a healthy way.
tl;dr risk-averse play during RVS is for losers.
It seems yet again that I'm faced with the stark reality that there are some players who will draw town and do anti-town things.
I did not expect Klick to just straight up admit that what he did was antitown and he doesn't care.
I have no coherent response.
Maybe page 2 E-1 wagon was just bunch of townies doing stunts, and I am simply... risk-averse.
RIP FakeGod's entire approach to the game I guess.
I wonder what they come up with.In post 574, FakeGod wrote: I will be reassessing the game under the assumption that there was no scum involvement in the page 2 E-1 wagon.
Those of you who still want to talk to me, I'll try my best to respond.-
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I feel like the reads in this game have splintered all over the place over the last few pages. It feels unnatural and is probably caused at least in part by scum-
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I lean townIn post 534, Black wrote:
What is your read on Dannflor?In post 533, Klick wrote:
I concur, I think it's playstyleIn post 532, Black wrote:
They do that as townIn post 531, Dannflor wrote: kawaii is just asking a lot of nothing questions and kind of commentating the game
i don't super feel they are invested in finding scum
My source is this game
His approach feels very naturally similar to this game
I like his progression on me and him using his weight to project a townread on you
It feels like he cares about that for town reasons and not scum-trying-to-get-townread reasons
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I want to look more closely at Kawaii and Claptastik, I feel like those are the two reads I'm slacking on atmIn post 535, Dannflor wrote: do either of you specifically town read kawaii or do you just believe that isn't a reason to scum read them
I thought Kawaii was town earlier but I'd have to recontextualise to put together why-
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BooooIn post 539, Dannflor wrote: I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting
he did later say that he was trying to incorporate elements of poker or something into his gameplay which i thought maybe explained the difference and he was intentionally trying to play more reserved
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Here is something that is bothering me Dann
I think Black's expressed paranoia of the two of us looks rather towny
I also think that positioning to want either you or me out today is exactly what Black would want to be doing if she were scum here
Can you help me alleviate my cognitive dissonance there, because I both see Black!town and think this is too good for Black!scum-
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Like this is also my initial thought at this point in progression but I want you to insist that this is correct again so I can just say okayIn post 545, Dannflor wrote: Black I'm pretty sure is town-
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Who are you saying this to, and why do you think it's a reach?In post 548, Skygazer wrote: yeah 504 seemed off to me too, and i'm skeptical that klick townreads me here. the reasoning for the townread feels like a reach too
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Is the reason that you're skeptical I townread you related to me generally expressing that I find you hard to read in the past?
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Am I actually just that close to a solve I'm happy withIn post 559, Claptastik wrote:Currently I have black, neko, de70, and you north of null
skygazer null
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That's very close to where I am atm
Basic map of my reads is
{Neko, Skygazer, DragonEater} - town
{Dann, Black} - leaning town
{Claptastik, Kawaii} - mixed, want to look closer
{FakeGod} - scummy
Which is really simple if my townreads are just correct and none of them actually feel that wrong-
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In post 579, DragonEater70 wrote: Meh
I promise I'll read everything that transpired since my fight with Black at SOME point, but I am not sure it will be today because like Black I also got a job recently and have less time for mafia during the day.
And I already have plans for this evening.
I am still anti-voting Klick and will continue to do so until I see a good case against him (which I haven't seen yet. 504 is a pretty NAI post).
Also if Klick is Dann's partner we should vote Dann.
I don't see who Dragon is scum with in this scenario thoughIn post 580, Dannflor wrote: Maybe dragon is scum
Like in a vacuum I can see why 579 looks scummy. But most variations of scum!Dragon should be pretty satisfied with the game narrative and not have a huge reason to draw attention peddling the Klick/Dann theory
If it were like Dragon/FakeGod, then I'm not sure why Dragon is putting pressure on us just as FakeGod has removed his vote on me. It's discordant
It's weird from a Dragon/Clap team as well
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Do you think that Dann's read here comes from town? I can't see what thought process would lead him there.-
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Also I'm not pushing the Dann/Klick narrative
I think you are town
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Also I might be sick
I wasn't planning to catch up today but now I am planning even less.
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