Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[ssbm_Kyouko]

yoink

@mod I'm gonna take 1000 when it comes around

[Doctor Drew]

snip

Gob has shown his work, I tend to think he is onto something RE: Elements/Kyo

What's your read on gob looking like?

I feels like he kinda has an ego that always makes me roll my eyes, but lately when I look past that I find myself agreeing with more of his reads, especially how he was breaking things down

oh new guy, you look familiar

I think there a couple imposters using my name in a hydra, those bastards

the wagon talk by Gob was very good, but I'm in a different wavelength:

The

Clap

E-2 wagon was composed by, at different times, [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Shaddow

,

D&D

]. 267 and 350
The

Shaddow

E-1 wagon was composed by [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Clap

,

D&D

]. 600

think it's very unlikely that both mafia would push for a town miselim two times on D1. I agree with Gob that there's one mafia on and one off this voting block. But I think the Cook hammer was NAI in the end, day was coming to a close and Shaddow would obv be eliminated, so she was not really grouped with the guys who tried to vote both Clap and Shaddow.

so I think there's one scum between [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and one between [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

@Titus what do you think, specifically of this VCA? I wonder if you see what I see

Care to share what you see?

In order:
That doesn't exactly answer my question but I assume you were TRing gob before the replacement,

because you agree with his reads

? Anything more specific than that?

New guy is lucca - his avatar looks familiar I think we may have played together once a long time ago. I'm a meta-diver though so I might have just read a game he was in with someone I was meta-diving at some point.

Not yet, no. I want to know what Titus thinks of it, she's known to be good at VCA and I want to know what she makes of that.

I was, and have been, mainly null on Gob. Like I said he ego will be there town or scum imo. And also like I said, he was showing his work I regards to his read on you and Elements in a way that seemed to make sense and made me feel better that he is more likely town than scum.

Like I wasn't really scum reading Elements and you, but God dammit he was making sense with what he was saying so I can't deny it.

[Titus]

After like six years without playing, that's a very fun game to catch-up and replace into

no huge walls at all!

I thought you looked familiar

[Titus]

the wagon talk by Gob was very good, but I'm in a different wavelength:

The

Clap

E-2 wagon was composed by, at different times, [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Shaddow

,

D&D

]. 267 and 350
The

Shaddow

E-1 wagon was composed by [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Clap

,

D&D

]. 600

think it's very unlikely that both mafia would push for a town miselim two times on D1. I agree with Gob that there's one mafia on and one off this voting block. But I think the Cook hammer was NAI in the end, day was coming to a close and Shaddow would obv be eliminated, so she was not really grouped with the guys who tried to vote both Clap and Shaddow.

so I think there's one scum between [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and one between [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

Don't care if this is bullshit. While accurate vca is not good often this early, I'm a sucker for it.

[lucca261]

oh new guy, you look familiar

just checked and we played together on a game in like 2017

seems like I tunneled you pretty hard on that game but hopefully I'm a changed man

[lucca261]

@948, thanks for the welcome back Drew, appreciate it

I do have to ask how much of your reads are just piggy backing on Gob's reads vs your own take on things.

Honestly I feel like if you read D1 with a fresh mind and knowing that Clap, Shaddow and Gob are all town, that wagon take is kinda easy as the construction of both Clap/Shaddow wagons were eerily similar

even so the fact that my predecessor (who I think was very convincing on his argument) was pushing for a take with a similar premise maybe makes me a little more confident subconciously

that said I don't feel like my reads are that similar with his. more like the premise. his conclusion was that there was def a scum on Kyouko/Element. currently, I'm townreading Kyouko and Element is kinda null-ish, could go either way

[Alianna]

Cook is being prodded.

[Titus]

Not a fan of how slow this is.

[Elements]

Not a fan of how slow this is.

do something to pase it up then

[Cook]

have people stopped SRing me yet

[Elements]

have people stopped SRing me yet

no

[ssbm_Kyouko]

the wagon talk by Gob was very good, but I'm in a different wavelength:

The

Clap

E-2 wagon was composed by, at different times, [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Shaddow

,

D&D

]. 267 and 350
The

Shaddow

E-1 wagon was composed by [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Clap

,

D&D

]. 600

think it's very unlikely that both mafia would push for a town miselim two times on D1. I agree with Gob that there's one mafia on and one off this voting block. But I think the Cook hammer was NAI in the end, day was coming to a close and Shaddow would obv be eliminated, so she was not really grouped with the guys who tried to vote both Clap and Shaddow.

so I think there's one scum between [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and one between [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

Don't care if this is bullshit. While accurate vca is not good often this early, I'm a sucker for it.

Are you saying this is bullshit or accurate vca?

[Cook]

damn

can they stop at least

[Cook]

i trust lucca261 because that seems like a genuine way to sort two days worth of info

[Doctor Drew]

i trust lucca261 because that seems like a genuine way to sort two days worth of info

UNVOTE:

Honestly, I kinda started to like what Gob was saying and my read on elements in particular has changed, which kind of changes my read on you.

I do like Lucca's entrance as well, for the most part

[Alianna]

Mizuki is being prodded.

[Alianna]

Mizuki has requested replacement.

The deadline will freeze at 48 hours if no replacement is found before then (though realistically, I'll probably grant an extension for Christmas anyway).

[Alianna]

Moderator Announcement

Any deadline that is in place, and all prod timers, will be frozen on December 24 and 25 MST.

[lucca261]

the wagon talk by Gob was very good, but I'm in a different wavelength:

The

Clap

E-2 wagon was composed by, at different times, [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Shaddow

,

D&D

]. 267 and 350
The

Shaddow

E-1 wagon was composed by [

Mizuki

,

Black

,

Clap

,

D&D

]. 600

think it's very unlikely that both mafia would push for a town miselim two times on D1. I agree with Gob that there's one mafia on and one off this voting block. But I think the Cook hammer was NAI in the end, day was coming to a close and Shaddow would obv be eliminated, so she was not really grouped with the guys who tried to vote both Clap and Shaddow.

so I think there's one scum between [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and one between [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

Don't care if this is bullshit. While accurate vca is not good often this early, I'm a sucker for it.

Are you saying this is bullshit or accurate vca?

is there anything you think is bullshit about it? honestly i'm all ears

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sure I don't think I'm going to get what I want from Titus here, there's a flaw in 940 I was hoping she would also find upon closer inspection.

The 267 Clap wagon was {Mizuki, Black, Shaddowes}, and the 350 wagon was {Mizuki, Shadowes, D&D}. Mizuki and Shaddowes are the common denominator here - which means that by this logic:

think it's very unlikely that both mafia would push for a town miselim two times on D1

that Mizuki and Shaddowes could be found as "not partnered", but Black & D&D were not both pushing (or at least not on the wagon) at the same time. So I think the logic in 940 should not discount a possible {Black, D&D} team, and the final conclusion (below):

so I think there's one scum between [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and one between [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

... should look more like

at least one

scum in [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and

at most one

scum [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm not sure if it's bullshit because I can see how I would make a post like that - look at the wagons, write them down, and find the similarities - I would draw the same conclusion if I'd written the wagons out in that way because from the way they're written, it does look like the same people pushed both the town wagons, and the following conclusion that there aren't 2 scum in that group makes sense.

This logic also assumes that there was a scum on both of those wagons, but I think that's a pretty safe assumption to make. I feel like it would be pretty weird to get 2 large wagons on town both being fully comprised of town.

[lucca261]

Sure I don't think I'm going to get what I want from Titus here, there's a flaw in 940 I was hoping she would also find upon closer inspection.

The 267 Clap wagon was {Mizuki, Black, Shaddowes}, and the 350 wagon was {Mizuki, Shadowes, D&D}. Mizuki and Shaddowes are the common denominator here - which means that by this logic:

think it's very unlikely that both mafia would push for a town miselim two times on D1

that Mizuki and Shaddowes could be found as "not partnered", but Black & D&D were not both pushing (or at least not on the wagon) at the same time. So I think the logic in 940 should not discount a possible {Black, D&D} team, and the final conclusion (below):

so I think there's one scum between [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and one between [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

... should look more like

at least one

scum in [Mizuki, Black/Titus and D&D] and

at most one

scum [Cook, Elements, Kyouko].

Yes, this makes a lot of sense too.

Something of note (and that I decided to omit during my catch-up post because I had no strong opinions about) was that there was a small push towards D&D as a counter to the Clap wagon. Sequence of events goes like this:

1. D&D puts Clap on E-2. @311. (suspicious of Cook on this page tbh)
2. aftermath is Clap, Elements and Black start a wagon on D&D. @340.
3. next relevant vote (Mizuki and Shaddow unvote Clap on the meantime) is Shaddow putting D&D on E-1. @452.
4. Black immediately unvotes and Clap starts the Shaddow counter-wagon. @459 and @487.
5. D&D, Black and Mizuki put Shaddow on E-1. @501, 502, 503

Given that D1 was a little clusterfucky, I'm probably into WIFOM territory. But it gives D&D/Black a little more credence. Worth noting that Black expressed intent on changing from Shaddow to D&D several times, but never proceeds to do it

[lucca261]

that small re-read of pages 13 to 21 made me want to shoot Cook btw

[lucca261]

but would like to see the thoughts of Mizuki's replacement on the game so far before making moves

[Alianna]

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