Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[DragonEater70]

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VC 2.04

VC 2.04

Dunnstral (4): Hu Tao, Celebloki, AnimatedWiz, Roden
Celebloki (4): Thomith, Flavor Leaf, Naerys, Bingle
Naerys (1): SirCakez
AnimatedWiz (1): Dunnstral

Not voting (1): RCEnigma

It takes 6 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-28 00:59:40).

Combined mod ISO: here.

[Celebloki]

Maybe FL, Dunn, Roden is a good solve. Bingle or RC could be in there swapping one of the others out. There's definitely scum somewhere in those 5. Probably 2.

[Dunnstral]

Why is Roden voting for me?

I feel like I'm onto something in pointing to AnimatedWiz only being able to talk about me or defend themselves.

[Bingle]

Why is anyone voting for me?

FTFY

[Bingle]

Maybe FL, Dunn, Roden is a good solve. Bingle or RC could be in there swapping one of the others out. There's definitely scum somewhere in those 5. Probably 2.

I’m gonna laugh post game if you named half the playerlist and hit 0 scum.

[Dunnstral]

Celebloki is being weird and decided trying to get themselves eliminated is a good play. I think It is a better idea to go for someone playing in the background this day phase.

[Dunnstral]

People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith

[Celebloki]

idk what your talking about, it's a truly masterful play /s. My whole goal here is to get people talking and out of the background. If scum want my wagon to succeed they either need to hop on it or try to push more townies onto it.

[Dunnstral]

You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:

Spoiler:

Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.

[Celebloki]

You're making a lot of sense. I can be behind moving off you onto RC or Cakez. I'm still inclined on giving Hu a pass for today because she plays like this as town anyway.

I'm actually more interested in flip flopping on Naerys. I've also been giving her a pass because I felt like she normally also plays in the background like this, but her last post pinged me. She's responding to my hyperbolic

Spoiler:

Aww man, nothing happened while I was gone. The soup was good. I'm fine with the people voting me, more people should vote me.

I just love all the people coming around saying, "We have 37 days left, lets take it slow" then they leave. Before you know it, everyone will be in here panic-wagoning everyone under the sun 6 hours before deadline because everyone procrastinated.

My criticism in the above was mostly aimed at posts like she makes:

How about slowing down a bit? E-2 when we have like 8 days left?

Comes in and criticizes wagons without adding anything, says to slow down, then disappears again. I've been in too many games recently where the town lukewarmly plods along saying things like this, then we get to deadline and everyone's panicking pushing claims before settling on a mislim.

We have over 6 days left and Cele whimpers something about panic wagoning. Kindly stop trying to make ppl panic, when there is plenty of time left and we have solid targets of suspiction. It feels kinda scummy

Funnily enough she comes into to say the thing I'm criticizing her about. I wasn't panic wagoning in my post, I was saying people like her need to get more active and not lead us into a panic wagon at deadline. Why does everyone seem to want to coast through the Day phase saying to slow down, but then never actually come in and advance anything.

VOTE: Naerys

[Celebloki]

I'm not saying people should have come in and finished your wagon with the last votes on it, but at least come in and defend it, push it, analyze people on it, something. Not complacently say we have time to slack off and do nothing.

[SirCakez]

Then vote me out to break up some of those misconceptions. See my flip and maybe let the game start progressing instead of flaccidly plodding along. Pay attention to who let me egg them onto my wagon and who avoided it with a ten foot pole.

At this point I do think FL is probably scum. I think Thomith is confused about what I going on about and Naerys let me egg her onto my wagon. Maybe Bingle is town.

idk why people think I'm panicking, I'm pushing my own wagon since it's the only one people seem to care about. I'm not trying to get people off of it lol. I don't consider what I'm doing as throwing btw. I'm pulling a D1 FL that my flip will maybe galvanize the game to start moving forward.

Why are you acting like your fate is sealed? There's an equal counter wagon and a lot of time left today..

[SirCakez]

You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:

Spoiler:

Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.

I need to read the back pages before I have a take on you because it seems like the wagon formed while I wasn't here

[Roden]

VOTE: Wiz

[Hu Tao]

People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith

How am I in the background?

[Flavor Leaf]

Celebloki is being weird and decided trying to get themselves eliminated is a good play. I think It is a better idea to go for someone playing in the background this day phase.

You were still the main wagon, but if scum were already on you, they don’t have that much leverage to push you further so i feel like this is Celeb bluffing bravado. I’ve never seen Celebloki play like this, so it does feel scummy.

[Dunnstral]

You're making a lot of sense. I can be behind moving off you onto RC or Cakez. I'm still inclined on giving Hu a pass for today because she plays like this as town anyway.

I'm actually more interested in flip flopping on Naerys. I've also been giving her a pass because I felt like she normally also plays in the background like this, but her last post pinged me. She's responding to my hyperbolic

Spoiler:

Aww man, nothing happened while I was gone. The soup was good. I'm fine with the people voting me, more people should vote me.

I just love all the people coming around saying, "We have 37 days left, lets take it slow" then they leave. Before you know it, everyone will be in here panic-wagoning everyone under the sun 6 hours before deadline because everyone procrastinated.

My criticism in the above was mostly aimed at posts like she makes:

How about slowing down a bit? E-2 when we have like 8 days left?

Comes in and criticizes wagons without adding anything, says to slow down, then disappears again. I've been in too many games recently where the town lukewarmly plods along saying things like this, then we get to deadline and everyone's panicking pushing claims before settling on a mislim.

We have over 6 days left and Cele whimpers something about panic wagoning. Kindly stop trying to make ppl panic, when there is plenty of time left and we have solid targets of suspiction. It feels kinda scummy

Funnily enough she comes into to say the thing I'm criticizing her about. I wasn't panic wagoning in my post, I was saying people like her need to get more active and not lead us into a panic wagon at deadline. Why does everyone seem to want to coast through the Day phase saying to slow down, but then never actually come in and advance anything.

VOTE: Naerys

I didn't include Naerys in my list because when reading her iso I found her to be more aggressive which did not fit with what I was saying. She has a low post count but it is not a large gap from her day 1 play and the posts she does have don't feel like trying to do nothing.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also specifically know Naerys as a thorny player, and Celebloki was in the 2 games I saw this in, so idk why that stands out for Naerys here.

I’m picking up big frantic vibes that I have never felt from Celeb before.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden’s Wiz vote is potentially momentum shifting, and could be a Celeb partner.

[Dunnstral]

People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith

How am I in the background?

You mostly respond to suspicion on yourself or pop in to say you're "still fine" with your vote:

Spoiler:

Interesting night kill?

lol

VOTE: Hu Tao

Why am I scum again?

They feel manipulative. Going after Gob yesterday and pushing Bingle and I today.

I feel I’m pushing Hu Tao more than Bingle here. Me being alive makes Bingle town more likely after their setup yesterday.

Still not sure why I'm being scum read by you. Can you explain?

End of day

gob

(7): Roden,

ssbm_kyouko

, AnimatedWiz, Naerys, Flavor Leaf, RCEnigma, Dunnstral
SirCakez (2): Thomith, Hu Tao
RCEnigma (1): SirCakez
ssbm_kyouko (1): Celebloki
Flavor Leaf (1):

gob

Roden (1): Bingle


Who was the counterwagon? Cakez? I think Wiz was the main counterwagon of Day 1.

1.05

gob

(4): SirCakez, Bingle, Roden, Flavor Leaf
AnimatedWiz (3):

ssbm_kyouko

, Hu Tao, Dunnstral
Flavor Leaf (1):

gob

Hu Tao (1): Naerys
RCEnigma (1): RCEnigma
Dunnstral (1): Thomith

ssbm_kyouko

(1): AnimatedWiz

Not voting (1): Celebloki

Roden and I being on Gob for both of these, Roden never leaving, is pretty townie for them, imo. Like, I just don't see the purpose of going for Gob that way as scum. I won't use that defense for me, but there were much better pushes. It's confirmed to have been a lhf fade. The AnimatedWiz wagon looks bad here. It's a 'there's scum on the wagon, or Wiz is scum' kinda thing.

Gob wagon can have scum or not, i think Gob's the type that scum would for sure just let town try to misfade, which is why I think it's not impossible for either 1.05 or end of day to be all town.

That being said, I think there's only 1 max scum on Gob in 1.05. If there are 2, it doesn't make a lot of sense here that Gob wagon stayed as the main one, even after Bingle/Cakez moved away. And I already explained why it's kinda weird for Roden (and myself, but I digress) to stay on Gob that way.

Also, why is Cakez on RCEnigma over me?

End of day wagon has 1 scum in Dunnstral or Naerys, or no scum at all. I'm already town reading Naerys, but for completionist's sake. RCEnigma, idk, i just dont see this as scum.

Thomith and Hu Tao on SirCakez means there's likely at least a scum in that section, and the fact that overlaps with the Wiz one, I really do think we're living in a Hu Tao Scum world.

Hu Tao, Dunnstral, Cakez is my solve right now.

Sure. Let's vote cakez or Dunn. I'm fine with either you want

I'm okay with voting there VOTE: Dunn

I think we go Dunn still. Bingley I'm not sure om yet. FL I'm leaning town but not sure

I still agree with Dunn gone

Why are you so against Dunn or wiz today?

I don’t remember ever thinking Celebloki was fluffy before.

Also really don’t like the idea of Hu Tao town thinking all 3 hard town reading her are town

Cele could be scum sure, but I would prefer Dunn right now.

You are not saying anything new, have not commented on Celebloki, or really explored other options.

[Hu Tao]

I think I said celebloki could be scum, but right now I'm fine with you or wiz.

[Roden]

If Celeb is scum then I don't really have a problem with him randomly asking to be voted out and people deciding that he should be voted out

We have over 6 days left and Cele whimpers something about panic wagoning. Kindly stop trying to make ppl panic, when there is plenty of time left and we have solid targets of suspiction. It feels kinda scummy

Who's panicking?

These posts give me the impression you’re not really reading.

Is Celeb

not

repeatedly asking to be voted out...?

[Naerys]

Funnily enough she comes into to say the thing I'm criticizing her about. I wasn't panic wagoning in my post, I was saying people like her need to get more active and not lead us into a panic wagon at deadline. Why does everyone seem to want to coast through the Day phase saying to slow down, but then never actually come in and advance anything.

What? i expressed my suspictions on Dunn and AWiz few times, besides i said i was kinda tired cuz pre-christmas stress and work stuff

[Naerys]

I'm not saying people should have come in and finished your wagon with the last votes on it, but at least come in and defend it, push it, analyze people on it, something. Not complacently say we have time to slack off and do nothing.

Idk to me it feels like you are trying to push through a speedlim

[Hu Tao]

UNVOTE:

I'll think it over