Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Flavor Leaf]

If you’re town, Celeb, you’re wrong on a chunk of your town reads.

Your energy is just different this game, and I’ve never had to wonder about your reads before, so that’s why I feel you are scum here.

Even when I was scum against you, I felt everything you were saying made sense, and that you had reasons for everyone.

I’ve never seen you go ‘I’m trusting my read on Kyouko so I’m trusting their reads’

Seems super lazy, and i don’t see you as a lazy player. That being said, i also don’t get why you wouldn’t try to expand more as scum, so when I think deeper into that, it looks like you’re avoiding saying certain things about players to not draw more associatives.

I’m very willing to change wagons and my view on a gamestate on a whim.

But you are trusting blindly in Hu Tao, Wiz, and Thomith, and trusting Kyouko who was already shown to have incorrect reads this game with their Gob push.

I get NKA, and I’ve been looking into that too, but Kyouku was just obv town for that push on Gob, the how they did it.

[SirCakez]

It looks like Hu Tao has done basically nothing today I'd be down for that wagon

[SirCakez]

VOTE: naerys I think this is a good suspect

Okay I'm done traveling home on break etc etc can we not hammer yet cuz I actually want to play today

I want to see the follow up to this. I don't think Cakez and Naerys are paired, but their reads on each other don't feel TvT either.

Her posts have felt like she's trying not to rock the boat yesterday and today, although she did mention being busy with work so I'm sympathetic enough to give her a chance to cook here

[SirCakez]

Gonna need some votes for pressure.

What's the point of this post

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Dunnstral.

I’m not a fan of how everyone backed off this slot, even if I do understand the desire to not shorten D2 into a sprint.

This feels like a misrepresentation of events - I didn't really see anyone "backing off" Dunn

[SirCakez]

You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:

Spoiler:

Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.

I don't know if this makes him town but this post makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think I'd be interested in a Dunn elim today at least.

[SirCakez]

I also got really, REALLY, bored with this game yesterday and decided to start playing more unhinged and try to get reactions out of people. I'm still figuring out how this is working out for me. If you guys do vote me off, I almost suspect the people off my wagon look worse. With the way I've been playing I think scum would want to avoid my wagon rather that get behind it.

This kind of stuff reads like flailing scum to me, like Cele doesn't know what to do to get out of the situation and is just flinging out posts
I'd join the wagon but don't want to put to E-1 so I'll go here instead

VOTE: hu tao

[SirCakez]

Like I'm looking at Hu's iso rn and they are just so vague about so much. They'll declare reads but give no explanation why and their vote movements seem to be driven more by the way the thread seems to be going then by their own scumhunting

[Hu Tao]

Welcome to the Hu Tao experience

[Celebloki]

I guess I'm just off this game. I tend to prefer to respond more conversationally and I honestly had a really hard time reading what anyone was doing D1.

When D2 looked like it was going to limp along, I got restless and wanted to try and spice the game up. I'm blindly trusting them for D2 only, I might flip on them tomorrow.

I legitimately town read Wiz and Thom off D1 play more than anyone else, I wasn't lying when I said everyone else was largely null to me. I liked their effort on their reads lists and questions. After seeing Kyouko's flip, that validated those reads a bit more for me for at least D2.

Hu Tao I am giving another day because like I said previously, I recently finished a couple games with her where I tunneled her for behavior like she's displaying in this game. She ended up being town and we lost the game we were in. As much of a shade as it seems to be, she plays anti-town as town and I am gun shy to do that again.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s claim time.

[Thomith]

People playing in the background this day phase: AnimatedWiz, Hu Tao, RCEnigma, SirCakez, Thomith

I dont feel like I'm playing in the background. Ik less active today for sure, but that's because I've been busy. I feel like when I have been contributing I have been putting myself out there, rather than only chiming in to defend myself or the like.
Is there anything specific you think I'm doing to "fade into the background" that I can respond to/understand why you think that?

You are going off the assumption that mafia are scrambling to try to save me and piling onto you. I'm not mafia so likely mafia are instead sitting back doing nothing, if you are town. I find Thomith's current position suspect, they apparently want to vote me out but are voting for you instead. AnimatedWiz's iso is 85% about me and 10% defending themself. I mean look at this:

Spoiler:

Hu Tao pops in every so often to say we should eliminate someone but gives no reasoning and then makes a filler post and leaves, and then 24 hours later comes back in and says we should eliminate the same person again with no new reasoning. SirCakez seems to be busy but is angling for you in their latest post - it's a bit of a mystery what they think about me. RCEnigma's last post is saying we need votes for pressure and they're the only player not voting. They have offered some talk of the wagon but not much else, including not giving a clear stance - they just call it 'interesting'.

I voted cele because of the random fluff posting midway through the day that pinged me, and haven't seen a reason to unvote since.

I am also aware that I may be tunelled on you, so am exploring other ideas.

[SirCakez]

Celeb claim

[SirCakez]

Welcome to the Hu Tao experience

[Hu Tao]

Celeb is probably town. I believe him

[Hu Tao]

Is anyone okay with going wiz today?

[Hu Tao]

I guess I'm just off this game. I tend to prefer to respond more conversationally and I honestly had a really hard time reading what anyone was doing D1.

When D2 looked like it was going to limp along, I got restless and wanted to try and spice the game up. I'm blindly trusting them for D2 only, I might flip on them tomorrow.

I legitimately town read Wiz and Thom off D1 play more than anyone else, I wasn't lying when I said everyone else was largely null to me. I liked their effort on their reads lists and questions. After seeing Kyouko's flip, that validated those reads a bit more for me for at least D2.

Hu Tao I am giving another day because like I said previously, I recently finished a couple games with her where I tunneled her for behavior like she's displaying in this game. She ended up being town and we lost the game we were in. As much of a shade as it seems to be, she plays anti-town as town and I am gun shy to do that again.

Based on last game I had with Cele I can see him posting this about me as town.

[Celebloki]

I always tell myself when I roll PRs, I'm gonna refuse to claim them but I never do. I'm just gonna full claim it and my target.

I'm a Town Neapolitan. My N1 was a waste because I targeted Kyouko. Interestingly I got a 'No Result' response. I assume because she died.

[SirCakez]

Hmm potentially confirmable

[Celebloki]

I softed in my second post if anyone cares about that.

[Hu Tao]

Damn Cele I was about to hard defend you with past posts couldn't wait 5 more minutes

[Hu Tao]

Dunn or wiz. Or maybe Naerys is who I'd prefer today

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:

[Thomith]

I softed in my second post if anyone cares about that.

Just double checked and this does check out.
I think I'm inclined to believe this for now.

[Roden]

Why wouldn't you check Leaf?