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[Hu Tao]

In that case I suppose it doesn't matter. I won't look clear.

[Hu Tao]

Random why do you even think I'm scum? Cause I claimed doctor?

[Elements]

[davesaz]

So if I target Hu Tao and she is Scum, but Mafia target me for the NK, would there still be only one NK and the risk of Hu Tao looking cleared?

This would be a mod question on resolution order. The way I remember it is multiple kill abilities resolve simultaneously but it's been more than a year since I modded a game and you're better off knowing how this mod does it.

[Random Nurse]

Random why do you even think I'm scum? Cause I claimed doctor?

As you should know by now over the many games we've played together I am a gut player and play based on instinct.

[Hu Tao]

Well your instincts are instinks this game. So try to reevaluate without the tunnel in mind.

[Random Nurse]

Oh, well, I guess I'm convinced.

[Hu Tao]

Well. Okay, done trying. Either I'm cleared or you die tonight from scum kill. So either way I have one less tunneler.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So if I target Hu Tao and she is Scum, but Mafia target me for the NK, would there still be only one NK and the risk of Hu Tao looking cleared?

Assuming nothing else happens, only you would die, but Hu Tao wouldnt be cleared by your role - your role can clear your target it you survive the night, assuming you weren't blocked. Which is why claiming your target ahead of time is bad if scum have another blocker. They can frame your target as clear if you announce you're targeting scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also they can kill you if you announce your target and it's WIFOM to guess if they killed you to frame your announced target or to protect themselves

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh shit

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andre's could PM RN's

next

target (not toNight's target) to him toNight and if both live RN can confirm he will target that player without revealing the identity

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nah that's dumb nm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

PM Guillo for the cross-clearance imo

[Hu Tao]

Can we get a list of all actions being taken so no one can claim they had no idea what they were supposed to do tomorrow.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont think anyone needs to be leashed, but I do think it makes the most sense for Andres to send some kind of message tonight to anyone besides Dave, RN, and Dunn so that half of his role is confirmed by someone who is both (alive toMorrow) and (not Dunn) - because Dunn confirmed the FN part and with 2 scum alive technically those 2 can be teamed. If Andres gets a message out elsewhere it makes his claim more legitimate

[Random Nurse]

If I were to claim that I have 2-3 targets (Hu Tao being one of them) would that make things more difficult for Scum or nah?

I imagine Scum will target me for the NK no matter what I decide. At this point I don't really know who's who but gut keeps screaming to target Hu. If I understand the role clearly if I target Hu and don't die then I basically clear Hu as Town?

[Random Nurse]

I do kind of feel a bit paranoid of Dunn...

...however Dunn is a lurker by nature, so it's very difficult to get a read on that slot.

[Dunnstral]

Are you saying that I'm not talking?

[Enchant]

if I target Hu and don't die then I basically clear Hu as Town?

Yes.
Unless there's second mafia blocking role.

[Hu Tao]

If I were to claim that I have 2-3 targets (Hu Tao being one of them) would that make things more difficult for Scum or nah?

I imagine Scum will target me for the NK no matter what I decide. At this point I don't really know who's who but gut keeps screaming to target Hu. If I understand the role clearly if I target Hu and don't die then I basically clear Hu as Town?

I think just choose 1 person. Less confusing for us if you die

[Naerys]

If I were to claim that I have 2-3 targets (Hu Tao being one of them) would that make things more difficult for Scum or nah?

I imagine Scum will target me for the NK no matter what I decide. At this point I don't really know who's who but gut keeps screaming to target Hu. If I understand the role clearly if I target Hu and don't die then I basically clear Hu as Town?

I wouldnt mind Hu Tao being cleared tbh.I am still having doubts about that slot. It spares us of a mislim so thats a bonus.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'm kinda surprised I haven't been prodded but I guess it makes sense with Jingle's mod note on holidays and stuff. This post is half a prod dodge and half a thought spew.

First of all I saw Kyouko theorizing about SK, and while it's not impossible I don't really see a point talking about it right now? K.

I am kinda fine with going any of the VTs today because I have strong reasons to townread the non-VTs, and I think Trimmer has like 40% to flip scum, and the other three have like 20% to flip scum (btw with 2 scum and 12 living players fmpov random lim hits scum like 18% of the time, NOT 25% like at game start). BUT I am not really sold on any of them being scum and definitely not sold on two of them being scum.

I also don't really TR Naerys or Andres from play and would have been okay with limming them, but I

DO

townread Guillo and Dunn heavily and don't think they are scum. So these were very good FN targets

I am also slightly sus about the 2 FNs but I could definitely see myself making a setup eith two of the same role but different gating, so maybe they are legit.

Honestly I really dunno who we should vote but I'm fine just sheeping Kyouko on whoever she chooses (except Nurse). Maybe it is just Trimmer.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Nurse shpuld definitely choose just one person in case they die.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nurse shpuld definitely choose just one person in case they die.

If nurse dies it means nothing about his target

unless there are 2 kills

, and there are only 2 kills if he targets mafia

and

mafia targets someone else.

So if he claims he's going to target scum, he'll get shot and there will be one NK. If he claims he's going to target town, he might get left alone, or he might get shot to prevent him from adding clears.

So claiming his target ahead of time is useless unless there are 2 kills, and mafia will never let 2 kills happen if he's going to target mafia, which means claiming his target ahead of time is ultimately useless