Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Hu Tao]

A strong town PR shouldn't be intentionally trying to get themself voted out and then inform the scum team that they were correct in blocking them...

Like what was the point of any of that

Where's the townie thought process

This is true. What's the scum benefit though?

[Flavor Leaf]

AtE.

Thats a very common scum tactic

[Celebloki]

I'll tell you one thing, I'm never gonna try and play differently to get a boring game exciting again. I'll just stick to the low volume posts that I'm used to.

[Roden]

A strong town PR shouldn't be intentionally trying to get themself voted out and then inform the scum team that they were correct in blocking them...

Like what was the point of any of that

Where's the townie thought process

This is true. What's the scum benefit though?

Survival. How long do you think Celeb should live, even if he continues to be blocked?

[Roden]

I'll tell you one thing, I'm never gonna try and play differently to get a boring game exciting again. I'll just stick to the low volume posts that I'm used to.

At this point we kinda need you to do something other than bemoan your fate. Not trying to be rude, but you told us that you boosted your own wagon to try to weed out scum. There's plenty of content to look at if that truly was your intent.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao feels soooo much like scum, theyre doing a good job, though.

[Thomith]

A strong town PR shouldn't be intentionally trying to get themself voted out and then inform the scum team that they were correct in blocking them...

Are you still convinced this is what's happened here?

[Thomith]

I'll tell you one thing, I'm never gonna try and play differently to get a boring game exciting again. I'll just stick to the low volume posts that I'm used to.

At this point we kinda need you to do something other than bemoan your fate. Not trying to be rude, but you told us that you boosted your own wagon to try to weed out scum. There's plenty of content to look at if that truly was your intent.

This is true though.
Celebloki who do you think the scum on your wagon (if any) could have been

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk. I’m ready to move to next day phase. I went over a lot of things this phase, I’m burnt, and have gone in a deep circular pit where i need a flip to progress.

[Naerys]

I feel kinda hesitant about yeeting potential town PR

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao feels soooo much like scum, theyre doing a good job, though.

Surely

[Hu Tao]

I'll tell you one thing, I'm never gonna try and play differently to get a boring game exciting again. I'll just stick to the low volume posts that I'm used to.

I don't think he'd make this post as scum.

[Hu Tao]

I'm willing to vote outside Roden, Cele, RCE, Thom today. So basically anyone else

[AnimatedWiz]

I feel kinda hesitant about yeeting potential town PR

I think that’s a reasonable feeling, but that’s why a lot of people on the chopping block will try to claim a PR, even if they’re just vanilla—even gob did it with his Doctor claim D1. At a certain point, you have to trust the claim less and less.

VOTE: Celebloki.

[AnimatedWiz]

Should be

E-3

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[AnimatedWiz]

The issue I have with Celebloki is that all his defenses feel too… convenient? Like, whenever someone brings up how something would make more sense if he was acting with a scum mindset, he makes the point that town

could

do it as well… but I feel like the possibility of town doing all these things seems less likely to me, and doesn’t fully counter the main point—that the logic behind the actions seems far less convoluted and more beneficial to scum.

[Bingle]

I'm willing to vote outside Roden, Cele, RCE, Thom today. So basically anyone else

There's a pretty sexy Hu Tao wagon you can join.

[Bingle]

Can we do Hu Tao or RCE instead?

The thing with Hu Tao is you have to cut off the limbs before you get the hydra.

I agree with you, Hu Tao is scum, I’ve given a multitude of reasons that nobody has tried to dispute, because frankly, it’s a damn good case. Even if ends up being wrong, a good case.

I really don’t think we are, but Celeb is a Hu Tao partner.

That's enough effort for me not to want to vote you today Dunn.

How would everyone feel about a Naerys vote?

This is also absolutely so political.

Dunnstral defends Celebloki and they conditionally responsed by Hu Tao. Dunn is getting rewarded to help empower Dunn’s spot and reads in the game because it protects Celebloki.

And then they find a compromise wagon in Naerys where did Naerys flips town, it can be brushed off as an “oh well, now we know”, but it TAKES pressure off of Celebloki.

Naerys was poking at Celebloki earlier.


Hu Tao is playing a super heavy political game.

did i ruin your planned gambit

And I’m pretty sure i have said that exact thing to you as town before

And you actively do fake guilties as scum

If there are the people for it, I will happily fade Hu Tao, Cakez.

And do you also notice how there were players who scum read me, like Sir Cakez and Dunn, who have moved away from that, while Hu Tao tries to do everything to try and flip their read?

But Hu Tao isn’t actively giving reasons for anything. They just state and conditionally response.

Wiz, what do you make of this?

[Bingle]

Why do people think Celeb will be able to prove his role tonight? He already claimed that he was blocked last night.

I don’t expect he’ll be able to prove his role, I expect, if town, that he’ll be a roleblock that doesn’t get used on our other power roles. Also, even a “I was roleblocked but targeted X” is a thing that potentially gets us information after he flips.

TBC, my reasoning here is thus:

Celeb soaks a roleblock that scum could use on someone else if town. If Celeb is scum, he's hard guiltied by ANYONE else claiming to be roleblocked while he has no action, which is a thing we can look at as we get closer to limlo. If we flip a scumblocker, suddenly it's incredibly likely Celeb is town.

If Celeb is scum, it's not worth it for a blocked player to out to CC right now because that gives scum knowledge about whether they targeted well and narrows their nk choices a lot. He's also pretty well backed into a corner wrt needing to contribute and make NA choices that actually make sense. And if he is scum, it's

very likely that he's a scum VC or similar that got targeted by a town blocker

here, which means there's extra eggshells to walk on to prevent showing scum who they need to be worried about. ScumCeleb 100% would attempt to out "I was blocked" in the hopes that a town JK or RB would out to corroborate, saving him and also signing their own death warrant.

teal deer, Celeb isn't a good fade for today, even if he does look sketch as fuck, because he probably gets solved before limlo regardless and this is the part of the game where we lim people we're unsure of to make the game winnable long term.

[AnimatedWiz]

Hm, I appreciate you explaining how he would be solved before LimLo, because that was a question I forgot to ask earlier—didn’t understand that you meant a Roleblocker flipping would help confirm him.

I… am loathe to wait on a possible flip though, because what if we never get that? What if the Roleblocker survives to LimLo, or we just don’t have one at all? Do we assume he’s lying, or do we give him the benefit of the doubt? I would rather just eliminate him now instead of possibly miselimming someone else instead.

[AnimatedWiz]

Hm, those posts collated together does seem a convincing argument. I, uh, admit I’m bad at reading Hu Tao, since they’re always very laconic and don’t provide much info early (which I’ve come to learn is a way to survive into the endgame), but the logic makes sense.

I would not prefer Hu Tao over Celebloki or Dunn due to some uncertainty, but if I have to compromise I won’t complain.

[AnimatedWiz]

Oh, it's Wiz, Hu Tao, and RCEnigma.

Why do you think this specifically is the solve?

I think RCE is in their scum meta based on their choice of choosing how to interact with my slot, I made a case a little while back, and this is a solve if Celeb is town specifically.

If Hu Tao town/Celeb scum, then there’s probably scum in Bingle or Cakez, but idk if i think this is the case necessarily. It’s possible we’re right on the money with Celeb/Hu Tao.

Why me alongside those two? Is it just my, uh, lack of a strong stance on Hu Tao?

[Thomith]

If we flip Celeb today, and he does flip as a town PR as they claim, we need to heavily look into the people hard pushing him post claim, as I feel like there is at least one scum, if not more, trying to hard push a strong PR claim out, pushing the narrative that he is lying, despite there being legitimate and not even unlikely scenarios that he is telling the truth.

I still am not sure if it is even a good idea to flip a claimed town PR though.

[SirCakez]

Oh, it's Wiz, Hu Tao, and RCEnigma.

I could see this

I still think RCE is town from day 1

why

[SirCakez]

Why do people think Celeb will be able to prove his role tonight? He already claimed that he was blocked last night.

I don’t expect he’ll be able to prove his role, I expect, if town, that he’ll be a roleblock that doesn’t get used on our other power roles. Also, even a “I was roleblocked but targeted X” is a thing that potentially gets us information after he flips.

TBC, my reasoning here is thus:

Celeb soaks a roleblock that scum could use on someone else if town. If Celeb is scum, he's hard guiltied by ANYONE else claiming to be roleblocked while he has no action, which is a thing we can look at as we get closer to limlo. If we flip a scumblocker, suddenly it's incredibly likely Celeb is town.

If Celeb is scum, it's not worth it for a blocked player to out to CC right now because that gives scum knowledge about whether they targeted well and narrows their nk choices a lot. He's also pretty well backed into a corner wrt needing to contribute and make NA choices that actually make sense. And if he is scum, it's

very likely that he's a scum VC or similar that got targeted by a town blocker

here, which means there's extra eggshells to walk on to prevent showing scum who they need to be worried about. ScumCeleb 100% would attempt to out "I was blocked" in the hopes that a town JK or RB would out to corroborate, saving him and also signing their own death warrant.

teal deer, Celeb isn't a good fade for today, even if he does look sketch as fuck, because he probably gets solved before limlo regardless and this is the part of the game where we lim people we're unsure of to make the game winnable long term.

Bingle is spitting facts here
Celeb is not a good elim today, maybe down the line once we have more info