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[DragonEater70]

Okay

VOTE: cw

Still want an answer from JBoy

[Flavor Leaf]

It is kind of dumb for DragonEater as scum to turn and vote me like that.

There was literally a confirmed kill, so it doesn’t go right for them if scum unless someone counterclaims.

But if someone wants to counterclaim, be my guest.

It’ll be a fun night if so.

[Flavor Leaf]

I town slipped when i messed the player count up anyways.

[cw357]

I still don't get what I'd be scared of as scum? As scum I would just say "cool I can continue sheeping Flavor" and know that you are pocketed

I thought about shooting you

Hmm I'd be down to be shot

I have a self confirming role
VOTE: cw

de votes me

Town:
Flavor
Kyo
l'Dragon

Mayhaps town:
Hu Taown
Purple
Cw


Perchance the scum are all here (but probably at least 2 are here):
Gera
HPE
Pav
Joyboy

de townreads me
hallmark of scum is having no clear reads and opportunistically switching them up

cw since Flavor and I are masons could you please tell me what's your next suspicion?

That. You. Are. Scumpartners.
"oh these two players have chat at night"
occam's razor: they are scum
what scum says: No We'Re MaSoNs

Along with HPE
but I'm fine with a flavor hang

Let me try that again

If you were cop and found out that Flavor and I were town, how would your reads look?

hpe i still scumread
id have to look at kuoku
and joyboy would probably be scum in that case

but to be clear i am basically certain that the two of you are scum

Joyboy why is Purple scum

why do you care what he thinks
and do you think he's going to tell you
you're trying to distract


Also I love the lunacy of you claiming mason with flavor (meaning you know he's conftown, since this isn't a BM game) yet you immediately voted him and said he was scum after he claimed vig

i dont even care about hpe right now, the two of you are so obviously scum that I've in effect gamesolved

I don't think Joyboy has had any actual reads this day phase, and very few reads last one

I am trying to understand if they are town with a real thought process or just scum using the gimmick to coast through the game

How is that "distracting"? What am I even distracting from? The wagon on you?

i ramble in these games
deal with it

i admit you have a somewhat good point in trying to figure out if joyboy is gimmicking but it felt out of left field especially when you know he's not going to give you an answer
idk you asking him that is NAI in my book though

also there's not a single townie voting me so as far as I'm concerned there's no real wagon

CW playing dumb is a scum sign.

I don’t think Joyboy is scum.

im not playing dumb about anything
you like to use random words even when you don't know what they mean

probably agreed on joyboy although hearing it from you makes me anxious about it

[Purplemango]

VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!

I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

[DragonEater70]

Why do I "know" they are not gonna give an answer? They very well may give a non-straightforward answer

What's opportunistic about sayong you are maybe town? That's extremely unopportunistic considering the wagon on you.

[cw357]

Okay

VOTE: cw

Still want an answer from JBoy

you just said you townread me, and you're saying you'll vote me cause of flavor
this reeks of no daychat although idk setup mechanics, is it closed?

It is kind of dumb for DragonEater as scum to turn and vote me like that.

There was literally a confirmed kill, so it doesn’t go right for them if scum unless someone counterclaims.

But if someone wants to counterclaim, be my guest.

It’ll be a fun night if so.

it would be dumber for town DE to vote his fellow mason, as he supposedly claims
given the choice between the two I'd go with flavor/DE w/w
DE thought you were conf-scum and wanted to be on the right side of history, it's as simple as that; doesn't clear him in any way.

I town slipped when i messed the player count up anyways.

not a townslip, the scumslip is backing off of my push and calling it "bait" when you find out it's not mylo
also if someone with 40000 posts tells me they "townslipped" I ignore it personally

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!

I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

Just means fight (there's no special meaning)

Do you think Joyboy does this trolling as scum? Do you think they do it as town?

[Hu Tao]

COME AT ME!
I'LL FIGHT ALL OF YOU!

This isn't very Luffy like.

[Joyboy]

VOTE: PURPLE
FIGHT ME!!!!

I missed that you voted for me, is it serious? If so, is there a particular reason?
(I probably won't answer too much because I'm at school)
Also what does fight means

I WANT MEAT!

[cw357]

Why do I "know" they are not gonna give an answer? They very well may give a non-straightforward answer

What's opportunistic about sayong you are maybe town? That's extremely unopportunistic considering the wagon on you.

whatever just forget about the joyboy stuff
1.i stand by what I say though, but in the grand scheme of things we'll call it NAI

2. It's not a wagon if it has no town on it, and the opportunism is oscillating between maybe town and voting me based on how the wind is blowing. If you didn't have your scumpartners HPE and Flavor backing you up, you'd never vote me, it's just because you think you can get away with it. Something never done by town.

[Joyboy]

COME AT ME!
I'LL FIGHT ALL OF YOU!

This isn't very Luffy like.

WHAT

[Flavor Leaf]

I have 17k on my first account too.

Dont even wanna count the alts i played a lot on.


@CW - how do you explain a second kill other than being from my vigilante shot?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hu Tao - bus your buddy and I’ll shoot somewhere else tonight so you can still talk your way out of it

[DragonEater70]

Okay

VOTE: cw

Still want an answer from JBoy

you just said you townread me, and you're saying you'll vote me cause of flavor
this reeks of no daychat although idk setup mechanics, is it closed?

It is kind of dumb for DragonEater as scum to turn and vote me like that.

There was literally a confirmed kill, so it doesn’t go right for them if scum unless someone counterclaims.

But if someone wants to counterclaim, be my guest.

It’ll be a fun night if so.

it would be dumber for town DE to vote his fellow mason, as he supposedly claims
given the choice between the two I'd go with flavor/DE w/w
DE thought you were conf-scum and wanted to be on the right side of history, it's as simple as that; doesn't clear him in any way.

I town slipped when i messed the player count up anyways.

not a townslip, the scumslip is backing off of my push and calling it "bait" when you find out it's not mylo
also if someone with 40000 posts tells me they "townslipped" I ignore it personally

There's daychat, it's in the OP

I said you were "maybe town"

Flavor raided a point against you which I agreed with so I switched back. Your posting style makes it incredibly hard to make judgment on your alignment beyond "they are town trolling" vs "they are scum trolling", so I am not going to have a strong read on you in either direction.

Also idk if you realize but Flavor is confirmed town.

[cw357]

I have 17k on my first account too.

Dont even wanna count the alts i played a lot on.


@CW - how do you explain a second kill other than being from my vigilante shot?

57k+ post player - "hey look at my nk analysis!"
I. DONT. CARE.

[DragonEater70]

Joyboy who are your enemies? Who's in your gang?

[cw357]

Why is flavor confirmed town?

[Hu Tao]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

[DragonEater70]

They claimed vig when a vig is confirmed and nobody CC'd them

[DragonEater70]

Fun fact:

When Flavor said I should vig cw, I wanted to respond with "I agree, you should vig cw tonight while I stay home like a good townie", but I didn't because I thought that moght make people think I'm actually the vig

Anyhow, VOTE: Flavor

He's not a N1 vig.

Appreciate this

[cw357]

They claimed vig when a vig is confirmed and nobody CC'd them

there are inactive players
why is vig confirmed?
setup is closed.

[cw357]

vig is not confirmed

[Flavor Leaf]

vig is not confirmed

2 deaths last night

[HighPrincessErinys]

Spoiler: Woe! Quote upon ye! Commentary in purple.

Most of these posts fall on the first have of D1 but I ISO'd DE/Flavor and I'm fairly convinced there's at least one (if not two) scum in there. I don't have an elim preference at the moment but that will develop as time goes on i guess, in the meantime VOTE: DragonEater70 also might have included some hpe posts because I have a slight scumlean there that might develop

Hi!

I'm going to sheep Flavor Leaf Day 1 because I am lazy

sussy impostor interactions

Meh.

there's other reasons for Dragoneater to state the sheeping comment other than what comes across at face value. They could be reaction testing me. They could be trying to setup an early pocket (I think this is rather bold if so because it would always illicit some people attacking the idea).

flavor defends de, uses detached tone uncharacteristic of other posts hmmmmm

No idea where you're getting "uncharacteristic of other posts" from, this feels like how FL has been like all game.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

...
I get it's rvs but when I'm scum I often start getting too buddy-buddy with my scumpartner in thread, maybe I'm projecting here

Nothingburger.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

further interactions
I suggest ISOing their interactions yourself so you can see how complete this is—they pretty much just talk to each other for much of the game.

Hyperbole!

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

aww thanks
uhh but flavor hammered on laplacian, also leaving out de is weird—when I'm scum I get wishy-washy about townreading my partners, when I'm town I lock in on reads. Again, not trying to project, but I think that's what most people do and this falls on the scum side of that trend.

This feels super subjective, shrug.

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

Something I noticed is that Flavor and DE never seriously push anyone, it's always light pushes so they stay out of the spotlight, yet they both make sure Laplacian wagon gets advanced.

This is called applying pressure and changing your mind. Also noteworthy that Abne was always on the table just Lap had wider support. That's just in GENERAL though because the posts he's quoting here have like literally fucking nothing to do with his point?? Neither of them had even talked about Lap by the time FL posted that. It's so bad.

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

WHY AM I NOT IN TOWNCORE
I HATE YOU

skill issue

I don't feel like feeding you.

If you want some advice when you try to push someone, if your push is real, of course, you gotta build up momentum through dynamics with other player's first, otherwise the easy counter to your push is just me reverse engaging to make it look like circular arguments.

Only way it typically would be tilted another way is when scum try to shift their weight.

I probably don't think you're scum here? Really weird play if so, but i don't know a lot of this playerlist, so surprises are welcome.

For someone posting so much, flavor endlessly fluffs without giving reads. He's probably worried that people will judge him on his reads d2.

Also just something that isn't really a thing? Feel like your eyes glazed over as you tried to ISO-dive FL with how shallow this shit is.

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

lol he's getting opportunistic, town by definition can't get opportunistic

You were actively trolling and claimed vanilla and we can like literally prove FL is a known vanilla-killa as town. Please get real.

this game is a nightmare.

when someone pops in to say stuff like this without giving reads it feels like they're trying to score charisma points to get into townlean at least. My heaviest scumread is on DE/Flavor (kind of Joyboy) but I also am willing to consider HPE for this reason

No comment on this shitty analysis but a big fan of the kinda-OMGUS Joyboy scumread lmao

A. WTF did I just read

B. Some nice alignment indicative commentary:

*pokes thread with a stick*

What, do you people have jobs or something?

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

That way I can defend her and be all "nah that's totally normal, actually"

I'm finding myself not liking this post. Its giving me a weird gut ping that it feels fake but I dont know how to explain it fully.

You mentioned earlier that we were early on in the day, but here you are acting like there is a sense of urgency that feels like a subtle contradiction.

Why are you trying to get other people to vote Kyouko for something that you find weird? Why not lead the charge yourself if you want to get the game moving?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Thomith don't you think maybe you're jumping the gun a bit? Pavowski's post seems a little, teensy tiny bit, blatantly, shitposty.

Second post by HPE that pinged me as scummy

VOTE: HPE

i think shitposting is still just a mask, and can be alignment indicative either way. I dont think there's enough to discern a correct answer with Pavowski at all. I lean town, but wouldnt die on that hill.

ok actually the ones who are all on people for not doing tasks are able to tell because they're not doing tasks themselves
I find this mega-sussy

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
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Also these 2 sentiments don't add up.

I'm not on anyone, nor do I plan to be.

VOTE: Flavor

But let's get a Flavor wagon going.

I'm torn between sheeping you and voting scum.

I guess I'll sheep any vote that isn't a self vote.

Though, thinking about it, I wouldn't

mind

pocketing Flavor, but that would probably require more effort than I am willing to put in for Day 1.

could be joke
i do see jokes here
but are jokes allowed?? :/

This checks out. Dragon town.

too jumpy, but not sussy-jumpy
more incompetent jumpy
imaginge you say someone venting adn you said

OHH MY GOODNESS BIG DADDY I SEE THE IMPROSOTR
but it was just an engineer
well that makes me think he do be just a jumpy conslusioner idk idk idk
*snipped rest of post*

cw is probably town

Spicy take, CW, lapalacian, HPE, and Pavowski are all town.

Why's HPE town?

Agree about the others probably

if you think flattery is gonna let you pocket me, well i gotta tell ya, you're probably right.

DragonEater's already doing a decent job making his pocket comfy.

:D

Alright, I got a town core in Pavowski and DragonEater. Anyone's welcome at the table thus far to see what we're cooking, promise you some good flavor.

I'mma reverse pocket.

Yeah I could work with that

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

modkills are generally reserved for breaches of game integrity.
idk what cw is doing but i skimmed his iso and i get the vibe he's just town playing weirdly so i would hope we don't have to policy him.
need to read rest of game though.

I think the point of a policy elim is that you do it without regard to the person's alignment, becayse they are harming thread health etc etc

kinda up for the policy if it continues. they already claimed vanilla, and yall know i love fading vanillas day 1.

Yep

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Reason?

going to read everything this one missed in a sec here but saw a bunch of votes moving around Pavowski so time to UNVOTE: Pavowski before something stupid happens

Another scum post

*snipped cw quotes*
well, i was hoping you might do something to convince me/the town that you wouldn't be a good policy execution, but so far, this isn't very persuasive. i get the impression that you're not willing to engage with the game in good faith regardless of your alignment. i don't intend to fight for a policy execution here, but as of now, i don't mind one. i'd like to have some more discussion before though if that's what we do, game's only just started.

p-edit: yes it is.

Kinda think this is sliiiightly scummy for the "I am not going to push a policy lim but I don't oppose one", since it could come from scum not wanting to initiate an anti-town play while still wanting to support it, BUT I do think town could also say this, so right now it's a very small scumlean.

So is this game dead already? That sucks.

Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.

Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?

Sus post. How is it sus? It's just an RVS post?

Seriously though, I think Hu Taown is in town.

very weak attack against HPE that he gives up to push laplacian

cw seems to be under the impression that if you don't go completely balls deep into pushing someone that you're just making weak SvS theater posts or some shit. People can like, point out things they think are scummy from one person and be focusing on another dawg!! That's kind of what a quote wall is ABOUT.

I feel like this is meant to be interactions misdirection when we look back at D1 because he doesn't want to be go-go-go all day on a mishang

RVS wit no RV what da hell

VOTE: Pavowski

Obviously this one

weak attack continued

Like???

I won't steal it

However, I'll use this pagebottom to say I'm fine with a Pav/Flavor/Dragon town core for now

And I'm also going to revote HPE

VOTE: HPE

snoreeee mimimimimi. includes self in the towncore too...

You do realize Flavor suggested that towncore, right? I just said I'm okay with it because I started to see Pav as town.

more de flavor interactions
weird banter between HPE and DE when their prior interactions were minimal
flavor and DE have shown no signs of giving ANY reads on the other except "yay we're towncore" and it's pretty obvious tbh that they're scum the more I read this

FL/DE not giving reads is so patently false it's not even funny.

Anyone scumreading Lap for changing posting style is either mega tunneled or scum

Kyo is clearly mega tunneled and HPE is clearly scum, btw

I could see one of the two of them or Abnegation as scum here.

I don’t necessarily think they have to be, though.

start of laplacian push
when it's getting real DE knows he needs a miselim
more vagueness from flavor, who shows total apathy towards the wagon until he hammers
classic distancing

no comment other than "bad"

Pavowski
DragonEater
Laplacian
Joyboy

Hu Tao
Kyouko

Purplemango
cw357
geraintm
Thomith

HighPrincessErinys
Abnegation

no full on red scum. purples are light light town reads, but none of them have done that much, and it's all on tone for me. I barely remember much of geraint, but i think that's a good thing with geraint slightly, and i expect to be able to read em if they're scum anyways.

Means im town reading at least 1 scum right now. I dont even necessarily think HPE and Abneg are both scum, they could be, but idk. I do think there is one there, though.

flavor putting DE at the top
I think for experienced players there's a very real (and brazen) strategy of full-on towncoring each other and this is what we see here.
Feels like Abnegation's getting thrown in there to divert attention from HPE

Like, okay, there's a non-zero chance that DE/FL is an openwolf duo, sure, whatever. But it feels like you would see any two players who mutually townread eachother and immediately make the same argument. The Abne diversion comment also just makes me think this is basically just a conspiracy theory push. Like this one wants to actually cut these arguments apart but its all just the same nonsense repeated its kinda driving me nuts

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

lol obviously
someone's e-3 and this is what you say?
laziest attack imaginable

It's just lockscumming me, FL and DE for poorly thought out and shallow reasons and then beginning the shadefest because he just has infinite confidence for some unknown reason

If you think it's Abnegation make a case on her, don't sit and throw shade at me/HPE hoping somebody buys it and moves off

If you think it's one of us then vote us

I gave my case earlier, several people agreed, but it's hard to get more evidence when she hasn't posted in forever. So until then:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE

This one thinks this is AI, in a way.
"Well she isn't giving me anything to work with so I'll just go with option B." when you could definitely make the case that the fact she ISN'T doing anything now is weird and worth attention. It's peeving me too, that's for sure, but you don't wanna go down that avenue because you don't think it's concrete enough. You're shopping for wagons that people will agree on and push with you rather than ones you think are genuinely scum. There's also a possibility you and Abne are scumpartners, which is why you don't feel like committing to a push on her, but even discarding that you're just

lazy

scum in general.

this post is so explicitly aggressive that I almost townread it, it's proabably why I scumread HPE less than DE and Flavor

I'll quote some more posts from EoD1 and SoD2 that I think are meaningful, but point is I'm pretty convinced that DE/Flavor are scumpartners due to interactions and the way they've been pushing others—weak to nonexistent yet towncoring each other, and IMMEDIATELY

My thesis: cw357 has perfected the art of the tinfoil. This one can't even really say he's scum for all this he's just completely and utterly tunneled. Like it's just fucking

mystifying

how much he tries to extrapolate from a handful of mostly early D1 quotes.

Don't really care to address the other quote wall(s) because this has been more than enough for me. Also going to be hanging out with a friend soon anyway and this one doesn't have the time or motivation to deal with cw anymore tonight lmao.