Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Thomith]

I actually didn't realise I did not have much against Dunn except early game until you just pointed it out. I was checking my ISO being like "I'm sure i've gone into more detail", then after not seeing anything, read through Dunn again and yeah...

The issue is I think I'm tunnelled on Town!Hu Tao and Scum!Dunn, but on reflection not sure I have good reasons for either other then a gut tunnel at this point.

[Thomith]

I liked Dunn's response/reactions to the two claims.

[Bingle]

I mean, yeah, Dunn towned it up after the wagon, but that's pretty irrelevant to the wagon being shit. The point isn't that Dunn is towny now, but that a giant willingness to lim him on the back of

nothing

was there in the first place.

[Thomith]

I mean, yeah, Dunn towned it up after the wagon, but that's pretty irrelevant to the wagon being shit. The point isn't that Dunn is towny now, but that a giant willingness to lim him on the back of

nothing

was there in the first place.

I agree, I'm more trying to sort out how I actually feel about Dunn now, after trying to take a step back because you made me realise I was kinda tunelled.

[Roden]

Bingle I'm not sure what you don't like about my progression on Dunn, but you calling it scummy just reaffirms why I think you're town

[Roden]

Also the irony in you saying I have scummy ass pop ins when you just wrote an award winning monolog about why it's unfair for you to be scum read for having scummy ass pop ins

[Hu Tao]

Let's vote out bingle

[Bingle]

Let's vote out bingle

^My point exactly.

[Bingle]

Also the irony in you saying I have scummy ass pop ins when you just wrote an award winning monolog about why it's unfair for you to be scum read for having scummy ass pop ins

There's a big difference between this being scummy:

Would it spook you if I voted RC?

If Celeb is scum then I don't really have a problem with him randomly asking to be voted out and people deciding that he should be voted out

And voting me on the back of not constantly being in thread producing content. If the argument about me was that when I was here I was doing scummy things that would be different, but Leaf was saying it's sketch that I'm only here some of the time and that my absence was what was scummy.

[Hu Tao]

Let's vote out bingle

^My point exactly.

Unlucky

[Roden]

Also the irony in you saying I have scummy ass pop ins when you just wrote an award winning monolog about why it's unfair for you to be scum read for having scummy ass pop ins

There's a big difference between this being scummy:

Would it spook you if I voted RC?

If Celeb is scum then I don't really have a problem with him randomly asking to be voted out and people deciding that he should be voted out

And voting me on the back of not constantly being in thread producing content. If the argument about me was that when I was here I was doing scummy things that would be different, but Leaf was saying it's sketch that I'm only here some of the time and that my absence was what was scummy.

The difference is that we are different players doing different things. And in any case I'm not popping into the thread anyway, I'm always here and just speak when words form in my head.

If you think I'm doing something scummy then just ask me about my posts.

[Bingle]

If, as you say, we are two different players doing two different things then would you care to explain the irony?

[Roden]

If, as you say, we are two different players doing two different things then would you care to explain the irony?

The irony is that you don't think your pop ins are scummy because you're actually just being active every time you open the site, and that you shouldn't be voted out due to other people not knowing that context about your personal life. But you scum read me for having scummy pop ins while having zero context about my posting habits.

Us being different players still matters though because your reputation is different than mine and we'll be held to different standards when we're in a player list that's familiar with both of us.

Either way I don't even really think you've had scummy pop ins or that you haven't been around enough. Your posts have stood out in my mind, and you've been posting more than the majority of the players in this game.

[Hu Tao]

Unfortunately, Bingle. You've committed the unforgivable crime of trying to eliminate me when I'm town. Punishment is eliminating you.

[Hu Tao]

And others have gotten townier than you like Dunn

[Dunnstral]

[Bingle]

Unfortunately, Bingle. You've committed the unforgivable crime of trying to eliminate me when I'm town. Punishment is eliminating you.

Unfortunately, Hu Tao, you're not town.

[Bingle]

I still have a desire to give Hu Tao a TR, after my claim and her hard defending me I was curious where that came from. When Dunn made his argument about how roleblockers and JKs work, I started to wonder if Hu Tao's hard defense might mean she was a JK and had maybe targeted me so she understood my 'no result'. With Wiz's claim this is obviously not a thing. I had decided before Wiz's claim that I still didn't support a lim on her because I wasn't sure if she might be a town JK. But the vanilla claim makes me not as reluctant to that.

What do you make of this now, Celeb? My take is that if hu tao is vanilla and spewed that you were actually rb'd that makes it a scumslip.

[Hu Tao]

? He claimed that he was role blocked. What do you mean

[Gamma Emerald]

flavor

VC 2.08

VC 2.08

SirCakez (2): Roden, Flavor Leaf
Bingle (1): Hu Tao
Hu Tao (1): Bingle
Naerys (1): Celebloki
RCEnigma (1): Naerys

Not voting (5): RCEnigma, Dunnstral, SirCakez, AnimatedWiz, Thomith

It takes 6 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-30 00:59:40).

Combined mod ISO: here.

[Bingle]

Yes. He claimed he was roleblocked. And you immediately accepted that as truth.

But more importantly, I'm trying to figure out celeb's thought processes when he's been gone for a while.

[Celebloki]

I was saying I'm curious what her motivation was/is for defending my claim and result so much. There was a lot of discussion around how that isn't a valid result according to wiki articles for Neap or Roleblocker, but apparently is for JK for what Dunn was saying. One rationale I had for why Hu was so believing was maybe she was the JK that had targeted me, so she understood my result. Because of this I was more unsure if she was the lim for today in case she was town JK, but after Wiz's claim I am less worried about that. Hu Tao also seemed to implicitly confirm that she is vanilla based on Wiz's claim, she at least didn't attempt to dispute it.

What I was saying in 1431 is that now I can come around on a lim of her for today knowing she is vanilla at least.

I'm not sure I believe she slipped, but maybe her defending of me could be construed as TMI if a buddy of hers roleblocked me and she knew about it. It still begs the question of why she was so willing to believe me off the bat when no one else was.

[Bingle]

So basically you don’t actually think she had more information, but we’re hesitant to eliminate her in case she did have extra information?

Do you think you were a likely target for a town jk? Why?

[Hu Tao]

Yes. He claimed he was roleblocked. And you immediately accepted that as truth.

But more importantly, I'm trying to figure out celeb's thought processes when he's been gone for a while.

Because I Town read him before the claim

[Celebloki]

So basically you don’t actually think she had more information, but we’re hesitant to eliminate her in case she did have extra information?

Do you think you were a likely target for a town jk? Why?

I'm not sure. Before Dunn mentioned JK, I was more sure I was roleblocked by scum. When I repped in and was making my initial posts, I was fighting with whether I should crumb or not, when I made my second post I was worried I was a little too obvious. My initial assumption was that a scum roleblocker saw my crumb and went for me based on that. I assume a town JK seeing my crumb would obviously choose not to go for me. I suppose my reluctance to go for her if I felt she was a town JK may have been misguided, it was born out of a desire not to out or lim another town PR.

I'm trying to think now what the motivation for either a scum JK/RB or town JK would be for openly defending my claim. Scum motivation here is obviously to try and earn town points when I flip town, but the risk is being accused of having TMI. I almost assume a town JK would want to stay hidden and not out themselves by defending their target thinking about it now...