Large Normal 246: Game Over

[Random Nurse]

Do we have any other workable information to use for Today?

[Hu Tao]

No. Please end our suffering. Give us the night for Christmas

[Hu Tao]

We've talked about the same thing over and over again. There is no use stalling. Except people losing interest in the game.

[Dunnstral]

We've got 8 days, people.

Why the rush?

Let's unvote for now.

You need to offer new information to talk about then.

[Enchant]

We've got 8 days, people.

Why the rush?

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

[Hu Tao]

Thank you for your service. Random Nurse you said you'd be on me. So be on me tonight, if not say so before day end.

[Random Nurse]

I'll be targeting Hu Tao.

Town, if I die and there's only one NK understand it's still possible she's Scum because I was the NK target. If there's 2 NKs and Hu Tao is alive then she's likely Town.

[Naerys]

Okay, thanks for info

[Random Nurse]

OK so I might target Naerys instead.

[Naerys]

Dont mind me, i am just bored. But do as you wish

[Hu Tao]

OK so I might target Naerys instead.

bruh.. please confirm who you are targeting.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

RN should not confirm his target. I've explained multiple times why it is pointless to claim it beforehand.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Can we just kill Timmer please

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Elements is already hammered I think

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Elements

this was hammer pretty sure

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vote Count 3.4

Elements

(E-2): Andresvmb, Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Dunnstral, Naerys,

TimmerRC

(E-4): Guillotina, Enchant, Broccoli Quest 2,

Enchant

(E-6): TimmerRC,

Hu Tao

(E-7):

Naerys

(E-7):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-7):

Andresvmb

(E-7):

Dunnstral

(E-7):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-7):

davesaz

(E-7):

Guillotina

(E-7):

Random Nurse

(E-7):

Not Voting

: Random Nurse, davesaz, Elements

With 12 alive it takes 7 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-02 14:00:00).

Mod Notes: Due to Christmas and New Years, the deadline is extended. I will be a little more lenient on prods over this period, but please let me know if you plan to be V/LA due to the holidays so that you don't accidentally get replaced.

i'll VOTE: elements to help get to the next day.

VOTE: Elements

Yeah, last VC they were E-2, then Timmer voted (E-1) and Elements voted (hammer)

[Naerys]

Can we just kill Timmer please

No, but next day we can fry some broccoli

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If Elements flips town, checking on-wagon is good, and if scum - off-wagon is good. I don't think there was bussing involved if Elements is scum

[davesaz]

I'm going to run through the possible combinations myself to see whether claiming it matters.

For the case where the information hurts, suppose RN says who he's targeting, the target lives, but the target is scum and something else interferes with the disloyal vig. We get an incorrect clear.
This 2nd case also applies if RN survives and reveals the target as clear tomorrow.
The scum target surviving case would rely on scum having a 2nd way to interfere with actions. That might still be plausible in a game which seems to have multiples, but how probable is it?
For completeness, there could be an unclaimed town role who can interfere but that would be throwing at this point so we can ignore it.

If there isn't a source of interference (the FAR more likely case) AND the resolution is kills are equal, a target on scum yields a vig whether RN is killed or not. In this case knowing who the target is does not help at all, we see it in the night results.

If RN's target is known, lives, and RN dies we get a clear.
If RN's target is unknown, lives, and RN dies we don't get information and the missing information is a clear. This looks like the only likely case where not revealing the target ahead of time matters.

Now, is Kyouko scum trying to deny town information, or just wrong? I lean toward wrong not scum on overall play, but the dividing line between pushy town and manipulative is very thin.

[davesaz]

Reminder that having me clear and preserving my result yields 2 information. That's worse than successfully vigging scum, and better than getting a clear and losing my information.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Can we just kill Timmer please

No, but next day we can fry some broccoli

What even is your reason for scumreading me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

RN is combined bodyguard disloyal vig, meaning if he targets scum, he both vigs and bodyguards them, resulting in his own death, so we don't "see it in the night results".

If he announces he is targeting scum, scum can kill him or no-kill and it will look the same in the Morning as it would if he announced he was targeting town and scum decided to kill RN.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think dave, you are misunderstanding how RN's role works, and maybe others are as well if there is confusion around why it is wrong for him to announce his target.

[Naerys]

RN is combined bodyguard disloyal vig,

I dont believe he is both. That claim of his just feels...meh