Mini Normal 2322: Game Over

[DragonEater70]

Kyouko, HPE, Hu Tao?

I stated it before but I am gonna be gobsmacked if scum!Kyo leads a relentless charge like that on Lap. She never wavered, even a little bit -- that's a hell of a gambit for scum.

Of course, me being surprised by a thing is hardly a reason to think it couldn't happen.

More likely Hu Tao, HPE, Geraint but Geraint's still basically a zero info slot

If I'm going to reconsider town!Dragon I need to reconsider scum!Purple, I was close to ruling that out

Can you explain why town!me implies scum!purple? I am like totally failing to see the rationale here. If you are town explaining this rationale might help me see your thought process.

[DragonEater70]

Also I don't understand something - do you want to vote slots only based on how much info they give? Not based on how lilely to flip scum they are?

[DragonEater70]

Like this line of "it could be geraint but geraint is still a zero info slot" pings me as Pav trying to prevent a wagon on his partner with weak reasoning.

[DragonEater70]

Also (and sorry for spamming), what made you reconsider and decide I could be town?

[Flavor Leaf]

We need to go somewhat decently higher profile today, so nobody in the low content slots, unfortunately.

Unless some major connections today happen with them, but i don’t think Geraint, Joyboy, or Purple are the types to get in the middle of things like that anyways.

[DragonEater70]

Anyhow I agree Purple has no agenda and that TRing everyone makes sense

I agree with Hu Tao that shooting between Dragon/HT is a bad idea if you want to shoot scum, and I think if Pav flips town today and you sooo sure there's one scum between Pav/cw, you should just shoot cw (also prevents cw from misvoting in ELo in town!cw world).

[DragonEater70]

I've kinda convinced myself Pav has to be scum here - he continues making town-sounding posts but there's no real point behind them except try to look better.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is CW so hard to get?

Because scum and town both are defending. This means scum don’t want CW faded.

It implies that CW is scum, or town who is expected to help scum win.

I think that flip is best here.

[DragonEater70]

I'm not really defending cw, I just just want to kill Pav today. Do you disagree with the several posts I've made pointing out why he's scum?

[DragonEater70]

Flavor I just finished a game (the one I linked earlier that you replaced out of) where on Day 2 there were 10 players alive with a large PoE and few townreads. And in that game I made the mistake of not pushing and poking people until I was sure of their alignments but sort of working together with scum to get a compromise lim.

cw in my eyes is a compromise lim and will probably flip town and then we will have a nightmarish Day 3. Pav actually has an agenda, you literally said this 3 pages ago. I want to kill Pav, or alternatively continue pressuring him until he responds well enough I actually TR him.

[Flavor Leaf]

not necessarily. I spent a lot of time earlier pushing/pressuring Pav. I can sense it coming from a possible town place.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor I just finished a game (the one I linked earlier that you replaced out of) where on Day 2 there were 10 players alive with a large PoE and few townreads. And in that game I made the mistake of not pushing and poking people until I was sure of their alignments but sort of working together with scum to get a compromise lim.

cw in my eyes is a compromise lim and will probably flip town and then we will have a nightmarish Day 3. Pav actually has an agenda, you literally said this 3 pages ago. I want to kill Pav, or alternatively continue pressuring him until he responds well enough I actually TR him.

I disagree CW is a compromise. They've been my #1 the majority of this day phase.

I see agenda in a possible scumCW much more than I see with Pav, tbh.

[DragonEater70]

Okay then please do a proper scum case with quotes of the posts explaining the agenda.

I will read it.

[Flavor Leaf]

cases with quotes are for scum or catchups.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see CW-Hu Tao as slightly more likely than CW-Pav, but the fact I feel em both in addition to the way CW discredits, and the extreme manipulativeness potential I see from them, and the way this game started, I see CW as pretty likely to be scum.

They also pounced on Hu Tao for 'fishing' when they were hard pushing it earlier, and consistently claimed Vanilla.

[Flavor Leaf]

i just generally feel Pav's got a sense of 'if i gotta die, i gotta die, but im gonna fight trying' in a townie way, and not a scummy way.

[DragonEater70]

cases with quotes are for scum or catchups.

Convince me however you want. I know you know what I mean, and I know you know you are able to do it. I just want to be convinced before I vote there.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's also the way Pav talks to me with like zero implications of where I'm headed, even when they're on the chopping block.

They're like on the short list for both being faded and vigged, probably almost more than anyone in this game considering the push back on CW. And I think that's telling.

[Flavor Leaf]

I do see reason for scum wanting a CW alive to get vigged, so that is a bit of a town reasoning. but 1 dead is still 1 dead, and fading gets rid of that too. i dont see Pav as someone thinking about that kind of stuff.

and thats really my defense for Pav.

I think there's an agenda, but idk if it's a scum agenda with them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao, can you talk about the PV/CW - Hu Tao/DragonEater dynamics to me? What are your thoughts on the 4 of you, not necessarily your read, but your thoughts on the 2 v 2 as a general thing.

[Purplemango]

Anyhow I agree Purple has no agenda and that TRing everyone makes sense

Can you explain the first thing?

[DragonEater70]

Basically, scum usually try to convince town to do something that is bad for town, such as voting town or not voting scum.

Flavor basically said, and I agree with him, that you are not trying to convince anyone to do anything and that means you ared town.

[Purplemango]

Thank you

[DragonEater70]

i just generally feel Pav's got a sense of 'if i gotta die, i gotta die, but im gonna fight trying' in a townie way, and not a scummy way.

I also saw that and it definitely gave me pause, but I feel this is more posturing about fighting than actually fighting? Like if he really had this attitude I'd expect him to push me / Hu Tao more and make sure that the "right" lim/kill happens after he dies, but instead he's like "oh okay cool you wanna kill me today? I believe in you town".

It's fake.

[DragonEater70]

I promise I'm not deliberately spamming the thread, but I hate wall posting. Between my last post and some notes I took at the end of d1 when I got home and the thread was locked have me really considering Purple/Dragon as two of the three scum (It would be 3 in a normal, right?). And given they know each other IRL...

scum!Purple / scum!Dragon works
town!Purple / scum!Dragon works
scum!Purple / town!Dragon doesn't work
town!Purple / town!Dragon could work but that means I have to find 3 scum in HPE, Kyouko, Joy, CW, Gera, Hu Tao. Possible? Yes. Likely? Feels like no.

Purple, what's your take on Dragon right now?

I misread this earlier.

Are you basically implying the only worlds that work are worlds where I am scum? Then why even put Purple into the equation here? Why can't I be town and Purple scum FYPOV?

This feels forced.