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[Naerys]

Can we just kill Timmer please

No, but next day we can fry some broccoli

What even is your reason for scumreading me

You are broccoli, thats enough reason.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

But I'm also a dragon

Don't you like dragons???

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Honestly I've looked over what Kyouko said and she's not lying or anything

So can we please just sheep her with regards to mech please? Cause clearly she's the mech queen of MafiaScum (see Smuggler's Port II).

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

[Naerys]

Dragons yes, broccoli no

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Smuggler's Port II

[Naerys]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Dragons yes, broccoli no

Racist!

[Naerys]

Dragons yes, broccoli no

Racist!

[Hu Tao]

I'm just glad the day ended

[Hu Tao]

Now where is the mod

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

[Naerys]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

if he didnt have that bodyguard thing on himself he´d be pretty insanely powerful, i suppose the fact that killing scum can kill him balances that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

breakdown of RN role mechanics - it should be plain there is no scenario where it is beneficial for RN to claim his target. Note that not claiming the target can lead to 2 kills at Night, where we don't know which scum RN targeted, but this is an acceptable risk imo, because we are currently on Evens and an extra death will result in odd numbers which will be desirable for ELO if we make it that far. Also in the situation where there are 2 kills versus 1 kill - it's either just RN dying or RN and another townie dying. There is no "saving" RN from the kill because he dies either way. Arguably we can save an obvtown from the NK for one Night if RN announces his target and he's announced a scum player - but likely RN dies toNight if town anyways imo, so his claim has already "saved" an obvtown for a night.

scum!RN: as claimed, scum!RN must provide us with one clear every Day. He cannot claim to have targeted the player that died in the Night to avoid clearing living players, because his role is protective, so let's say I die toNight. He can't claim he targeted me because he would have bodyguarded me and he would have died instead. There is an argument to be made that he could have been blocked and the other scum killed me in this situation, which is why it was critical to hit scum toDay. Hoping we did for this reason.

town!RN:
Scenario 1: Targets scum - RN fires a Vigilante shot at his target and bodyguards them. Assuming no interference, RN is killed by his own vigilante bullet.
Announced Target: We have no way of knowing if RN was killed by his own vigilante bullet or the scum's factional kill, assuming there are not 2 kills. If RN announces his target and we have 2 kills, scum has willingly guiltied themselves by not shooting RN - I would not bank on this.
Unannounced target: RN dies and we don't know who was targeted. This could lead to 2 NKs if scum opt not to shoot RN.

Scenario 2: Targets Town - RN bodyguards the player he targets. If both are alive in the morning, assuming no interference, the targeted player is cleared in the morning. If RN is NKed by scum, it is indistinguishable from if he chose to target scum
Announced target: If RN is NKed by scum to prevent him providing clears, it is indistinguishable from if RN chose to target scum
Unannounced target: If RN is NKed by scum to prevent him providing clears, it is indistinguishable from if RN chose to target scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

it's actually a zero guilty cop unless he can find a way to crumb his night action without announcing it - dave can't even neighborize him to allow the targets to be privately mentioned in the hood, because Dave is simple. If anything, Guillo having a protective role at all is what *doesn't fit* with dave and RN's claims - they are somewhat complicated roles that are balanced with each other to not give the town more guilty-power. Guillo's role would allow RN to get a guilty.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

because if he ever announces a scum target, he can just get NKed and there's no way to know if his target was actually scum or just town getting framed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

if he didnt have that bodyguard thing on himself he´d be pretty insanely powerful, i suppose the fact that killing scum can kill him balances that

He doesn't kill scum though - he kills himself if he targets scum. The only way he could kill scum is if one was Macho

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

it's actually a zero guilty cop unless he can find a way to crumb his night action without announcing it - dave can't even neighborize him to allow the targets to be privately mentioned in the hood, because Dave is simple. If anything, Guillo having a protective role at all is what *doesn't fit* with dave and RN's claims - they are somewhat complicated roles that are balanced with each other to not give the town more guilty-power. Guillo's role would allow RN to get a guilty.

Yeah I was referring to a situation RN crumbed the target every day and hadn't claimed yet as the situation where he's a 1-guilty cop.

Like the situation the reviewers considered as opposed to the situation right now.

[Guillotina]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

it's actually a zero guilty cop unless he can find a way to crumb his night action without announcing it - dave can't even neighborize him to allow the targets to be privately mentioned in the hood, because Dave is simple. If anything, Guillo having a protective role at all is what *doesn't fit* with dave and RN's claims - they are somewhat complicated roles that are balanced with each other to not give the town more guilty-power. Guillo's role would allow RN to get a guilty.

This post is scummy, maybe RN should check you.

[Guillotina]

Maybe Cele died because he wanted to check in the millers claims.

[Guillotina]

I don't like how that post is written in a way to seed doubt on my role claim, which could lead to a misyeet later. Kyouko, I'm the sleeping lion, come try me.

[Guillotina]

Also I hope every had a great Christmas

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

it's actually a zero guilty cop unless he can find a way to crumb his night action without announcing it - dave can't even neighborize him to allow the targets to be privately mentioned in the hood, because Dave is simple. If anything, Guillo having a protective role at all is what *doesn't fit* with dave and RN's claims - they are somewhat complicated roles that are balanced with each other to not give the town more guilty-power. Guillo's role would allow RN to get a guilty.

This post is scummy, maybe RN should check you.

Maybe he should, I'm not cleared. I'm not opposed to it if Elements flips town. If scum though I think checking you is decent here, though I'd prefer he checks a VT claim, like Enchant/BQ2 in that scenario

[davesaz]

I saw doc crumbs too.
Role cop being killed either points to Miller or is meant to make us think that.

[Guillotina]

Also RN is not lying about his role so please stop implying he is

Eh, it just feels like kinda overpowered role so i am having a hard time to believe that

Nurse always has OP roles as town.

Also it's not that OP? It's a 1-guity cop except you can't be sure the clears are real clears (roleblock) and scum can force a no-result at any time after he claims unless there's a doctor that can save him (there isn't).

Actually it's pretty weak.

it's actually a zero guilty cop unless he can find a way to crumb his night action without announcing it - dave can't even neighborize him to allow the targets to be privately mentioned in the hood, because Dave is simple. If anything, Guillo having a protective role at all is what *doesn't fit* with dave and RN's claims - they are somewhat complicated roles that are balanced with each other to not give the town more guilty-power. Guillo's role would allow RN to get a guilty.

This post is scummy, maybe RN should check you.

Maybe he should, I'm not cleared. I'm not opposed to it if Elements flips town. If scum though I think checking you is decent here, though I'd prefer he checks a VT claim, like Enchant/BQ2 in that scenario

Why are you associating me with Elements?

[Guillotina]

OK so I might target Naerys instead.

What for? She confirmed herself to me, she is town.