Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[AnimatedWiz]

VOTE: Bingle.

Look, I’m going to be honest—it feels like a lot of y’all are putting on performances here, and it makes it hard for me to trust you. People like Thomith and Naerys feel genuine to me, and I really want to trust them as a result.

Bingle, out of everyone here, has continuously felt the most like he’s playing a part (like he’s reciting a script), and I’ve felt it since early on D1. I would really like us all to consider working together to vote him out here.

[AnimatedWiz]

Town

: Thomith, Naerys

Townlean

: Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Hu Tao, Roden

Null

: Celebloki

Scumlean

: RCEnigma, SirCakez

Scum

: Bingle

[Bingle]

The mental gymnastics needed to vote me here is impressive

What mental gymnastics? There's a clear case.

[Roden]

How can Hu Tao have a tent pole role when Wiz confirmed that they're Vanilla?

[Hu Tao]

The mental gymnastics needed to vote me here is impressive

What mental gymnastics? There's a clear case.

I'm confirmed a vanilla. So your last post makes 0 sense

[Bingle]

How can Hu Tao have a tent pole role when Wiz confirmed that they're Vanilla?

Well the short answer is that I wasn’t thinking about the vt result when considering Hu Tao/celeb associations.

The long answer is that the vt result on Hu Tao is completely irrelevant to my scumread of Hu Tao, and so I’m left, yet again, with the question of “what mental gymnastics?” At best you could say it’s mental gymnastics to townread celeb.

[SirCakez]

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Bingle.

-snip-

Bingle, out of everyone here, has continuously felt the most like he’s playing a part (like he’s reciting a script), and I’ve felt it since early on D1. I would really like us all to consider working together to vote him out here.

I don't understand this at all

[SirCakez]

can't believe I'm really out here defending Bingle rn

[Roden]

How can Hu Tao have a tent pole role when Wiz confirmed that they're Vanilla?

Well the short answer is that I wasn’t thinking about the vt result when considering Hu Tao/celeb associations.

The long answer is that the vt result on Hu Tao is completely irrelevant to my scumread of Hu Tao, and so I’m left, yet again, with the question of “what mental gymnastics?” At best you could say it’s mental gymnastics to townread celeb.

I don't really care about mental gymnastics. The main point was that we know Hu Tao is Vanilla unless they're partnered with Wiz.

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

How so?

[Dunnstral]

what is a 'tentpole role'?

[Roden]

I assume it's meant to describe a scum role that's both really strong and breaks the set up wide open so that town doesn't have to mech spec anymore

[Hu Tao]

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

It does when part of his reason for scumreading me is that I'm scum pr

[Hu Tao]

This game kinda seems all over the place. Maybe scum is setting it up this way. Because seems to be a lot of chaos

[Thomith]

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

It means they didn't roadblock Celeb, like he was suggesting.

It also means they aren't a scum PR which Bingle also seemed to be suggesting (but has since clarified this)

[SirCakez]

-snip-

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

How so?

bc they can still be Goon

[SirCakez]

Confirmed vanilla means nothing

It means they didn't roadblock Celeb, like he was suggesting.

It also means they aren't a scum PR which Bingle also seemed to be suggesting (but has since clarified this)

ok I missed the part where Bingle was arguing that, ya no that's not right

[Naerys]

To me it feels like Bingle is tunneling.
I dont think i want to flip Hu today. I have a gut feeling like scum is lurking in shadow. RCE did not convince me that he is doing anything just yet.

[Naerys]

I’m in the late 30s pages but fos on slots like, cakes, naerys, roden until his fl/bingle read got expanded. For pushing on the low activity low hanging lim targets while FL and Bingle argue over bigger fish.

Hu Tao is kinda just chugging along at their own pace with their own agenda.

Only played scum with Hu tao once but they were more of a go with the flow player and just supported whatever the plan was. They were a rep in there but doesn’t really change my player view.

Any reads? Who do you think could be scum?

[Bingle]

what is a 'tentpole role'?

Tentpole is a game design term for something that allows the rest of your strategy to work. It's a generally undesirable thing in mafia game design, but something like an ungated strongman in a room full of protectives or a town player who is told the identity of the scumteam but causes a scumwin if they die would be a tentpole piece, because if you remove it, the team, or tent, just kind of collapses inward. I don't think the existence of such a role is likely regardless of the additional unlikeliness of Hu Tao specifically being a tentpole scum role in a team of Wiz/Hu Tao/Celeb.

[Bingle]

It does when part of his reason for scumreading me is that I'm scum pr

Literally not a thing.

[Bingle]

It means they didn't roadblock Celeb, like he was suggesting.

What?

I was suggesting that the only way Hu Tao could've known that a roleblock happened as a vanilla would be a partner being responsible for it, and wondering why celebloki seemed to be townreading Hu Tao based on what would nominally be a guilty result. Celeb clarified the belief was only pre VC result, but I'm still interested in his actual conclusions there, particularly because I don't think it's likely for them to be paired.

[Hu Tao]

He literally claimed he was roleblocked. That's why I know a role block happened. I Town read him already so I believed him. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

And since when is being vanilla a guilty? or am I reading that part wrong

[Bingle]

If you, as vanilla, knew that Celeb was rb'd, you could only have gotten that information from a scum PT.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, celeb isn’t confirmed to have been roleblocked by any means until they flip green or a roleblocker flips.