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[Enchant]

If anything kill makes sense.

[Hu Tao]

RN if you are not gonna target Dave, target one of the miller claims please.

I think trying to change the plan at the last second causes confusion and is scummy.

Yah? RN said he was gonna target Naerys and I said it is useless as she confirmed herself to me, I actually suggested he stayed on course by targeting Dave and if he was not gonna do it then to target the millers aka you or Kyouko. So?

I said I MIGHT, not that I WAS.

I did mention possibly targeting Naerys to instill some doubt into Scum.

I did target Hu Tao.

I'm not 100% convinced because there could have been interference by a Scum PR.

The scum role blocker is dead. What more do you want.

[Random Nurse]

RN if you are not gonna target Dave, target one of the miller claims please.

I think trying to change the plan at the last second causes confusion and is scummy.

Yah? RN said he was gonna target Naerys and I said it is useless as she confirmed herself to me, I actually suggested he stayed on course by targeting Dave and if he was not gonna do it then to target the millers aka you or Kyouko. So?

I said I MIGHT, not that I WAS.

I did mention possibly targeting Naerys to instill some doubt into Scum.

I did target Hu Tao.

I'm not 100% convinced because there could have been interference by a Scum PR.

The scum role blocker is dead. What more do you want.

I've played this game long enough to know doubt is a good thing.

[Dunnstral]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

[Naerys]

If anything kill makes sense.

How so? I dont see much logic. I expected Nurse/dave to be NKed

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Why not enchant?

Feel their play is towny. Could be wrong.

I still think Timmer is town here.

You and Elements being town confirms one of TImmer/Enchant as being scum

And I don't think it's Enchant

Explain this please.

I am cleared town by interaction with both Roden and Gamma
Guillo is cleared town also by interaction with both Roden and Gamma
Naerys is cleared town for being Friendly Neighbor
You are cleared town because you would not make up this role as scum
Hu Tao is cleared town because you didn't die targeting them
Dunn/Kyouko are never scum together because that would leave town with too much power, and Dunn is town for claiming Miller first.
So that leaves a PoE of Kyouko, Timmer, davesaz and Enchant. It's possible I incorrectly cleared someone but I think we should only worry about that possibility AFTER we flip Timmer.


Additionally and disregarding all the clears I just mentioned, I think it's highly unlikely there's no scum in the VT claims. That would require every single scum player to claim not vanilla (remember that Gamma claimed Gunsmith and Roden claimed Doctor?), and that just doesn't happen?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

[Enchant]

If anything kill makes sense.

How so? I dont see much logic. I expected Nurse/dave to be NKed

Because we operate on not full knowledge, and mafia also knows it.


While we assume that RN are town (i still believe so), it's not confirmed, and Dave may or may not be useless or town or both of these really. It's less confirmed that FN claims, which had more strong conftown standing, due uh, being paired.

If anything, mafia can fearmonger us with second roleblockers even if RN and Dave town. We never confirm Hu Tao as town until mafia all dies or we flip second roleblocker somehow (which may not even exist). Hood fails if Dave roleblocked as well, giving false result. That's point.


Basically: I also expected RN to die, but kill is totally not outrageously nonsense, that's sounds pretty valid way of play for mafia. FN may be more dangerous for them.

Let's just assume Hu Tao town for time being.

[Enchant]

Why:

Hu Tao for sure not roleblocker due rolecop result.
If we flip other mafia, Hu Tao is confirmed innocent.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Enchant let's vote Timmer

[Enchant]

Spiritually already.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Said it before and I'll say it again, Dunn claimed Miller first because he checked the game thread first. I'm not scum for not being faster than Dunn to check the thread.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Did anyone receive Andres' message?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Said it before and I'll say it again, Dunn claimed Miller first because he checked the game thread first. I'm not scum for not being faster than Dunn to check the thread.

I did not say you were scum for not posting first. In fact I townread you.

Still, Dunn posting first is, on a mechanical level, +town for him.

[Random Nurse]

Was it already revealed that Andres was a FN? If so I can completely understand Scum targeting that slot. If not I would be curious to know how they knew. And apparently there's a second FN too and that should remain a secret.

In that case with the known FN out of the way I'm fairly confident I'll be targeted next due to the PR.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Was it already revealed that Andres was a FN? If so I can completely understand Scum targeting that slot. If not I would be curious to know how they knew. And apparently there's a second FN too and that should remain a secret.

In that case with the known FN out of the way I'm fairly confident I'll be targeted next due to the PR.

Yes, Andre's targeted Dunn. He was supposed to send a Messenger message toNight to someone other than Dunn.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 4.1

TimmerRC

(E-4): Guillotina, Broccoli Quest 2,

Hu Tao

(E-6):

Dunnstral

(E-6):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-6):

Enchant

(E-6):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-6):

Naerys

(E-6):

davesaz

(E-6):

Guillotina

(E-6):

Random Nurse

(E-6):

Not Voting

: Random Nurse, Naerys, davesaz, Hu Tao, Enchant, Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko, TimmerRC

With 10 alive it takes 6 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-06 21:48:36).

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@Broccoli

: As a mod I accept bold tags with Vote: Player, in case you'd like to have fully Green votes. Not really game relevant, but I figured I'd let you know.

[Hu Tao]

I just don't think the scum is in the VT claims. Its definitely in the pr claims. How many VTs do we have so far total?

[davesaz]

And apparently there's a second FN too and that should remain a secret.

Apparently you missed that second FN was actually claimed and confirmed.

[davesaz]

I'm expecting one each in the VT and PR claims, and likely reversed where the claimed VT is the PR while the claimed PR is goon.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Did anyone receive Andres' message?

This is important, everyone please confirm whether or not they got his message.

I did not receive a message.

[Hu Tao]

No message

[Naerys]

No message.

[Random Nurse]

I received no message.

[davesaz]

No message.