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[Gamma Emerald]

I rolled a dice and it told me that there is Dragonwolf in this game
VOTE: DragonEater70

Oh noooo how did you find me out so quickly

VOTE: DragonEater70

This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70

VOTE: Dragon

VOTE: Dragon

Let's go.

Why do you do this

VOTE: Dragon

Bad vote

VOTE: Kyuoko

Why is this a bad vote, compared to the other people that voted you?

I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote

Do you think Naerys is town?

Yes I do, I felt that was obvious
But I’m quite dismayed she thinks I’m sus
I want her to try and rationalize the read
See what theoretical scum motive grows from the seed

[Hu Tao]

I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote

I think kitty could be scum

The conviction in his Naerys read feels unnatural

Kitty is town. I'm sure. He is different as town and scum. Just like in the jester game when I correctly said he was town.

[Hu Tao]

I disagree

Why do you disagree?

Because every fiber of my being is screaming that dragon is scum here

[Black]

I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote

I think kitty could be scum

The conviction in his Naerys read feels unnatural

Kitty is town. I'm sure. He is different as town and scum. Just like in the jester game when I correctly said he was town.

He kinda feels different than he did in the jester game though? Like he's try harding or something. How does he play as scum?

[Hu Tao]

Plot twist: Dragon+Black are scum
hopefully thats not true

Still waiting for the day I roll scum with Black

It would be soooo fun

I died laughing at this

[Hu Tao]

I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote

I think kitty could be scum

The conviction in his Naerys read feels unnatural

Kitty is town. I'm sure. He is different as town and scum. Just like in the jester game when I correctly said he was town.

He kinda feels different than he did in the jester game though? Like he's try harding or something. How does he play as scum?

Very rigid. He feels more free here. I'd be shocked if he's scum.

[Katsuki]

@Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?

I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse of

"oh I forgot"

. The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.

There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.

[Hu Tao]

@Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?

I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse of

"oh I forgot"

. The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.

There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.

Who is it?

[DragonEater70]

@Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?

I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse of

"oh I forgot"

. The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.

There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.

Is that player Black?

[biancospino]

votecount

Votecount 1-IX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

Thomith (2):

Naerys, Gamma Emerald

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

DragonEater70 (2):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (2):

DragonEater70, Black

davesaz (1):

Katsuki

Not Voting (3):

davesaz, Celebloki, Thomith

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-06 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here
  
• Celebloki is V/LA 'till 01/JAN

[Black]

Looking over Katsuki's iso a bit more

I'm willing to give myself some more time to see where my Black read develops given player unfamiliarity.

Happier to push this one to a lynch.

UNVOTE, VOTE: DAVE

The conviction involved here is a bit much. I don't understand how Katsuki could already be willing to fade Dave based on the one comment he made about not having much history with her

Any thoughts on davesaz?

It feels less potentially opportunistic than the other 3 posts I mentioned so I wasnt overly focusing on it tbh.
I feel like it seems similar to my initial reaction, I just didn't say something sooner because I didn't want to guide your response to the questioning.

Mmm.

The difference between you and him is that, unlike you, he doesn't lack the background knowledge on me to at least have some sort of thought. He's more than happy to entertain a serious push on me if it develops, yet left room to backtrack with that

"I don't have enough background"

as his pretense to remain non-committal on providing any sort of useful comment.

FWIW, the last time I played with him, I literally posted nothing but pepes for the first 3/4 gamedays in team mafia.

Sorta feels like an over justification of the vote

My general impression is she doesn’t like day one
So she does silly things to make it more fun

It depends. RVS is the best period of the game for scumhunting. Entire games can be won off the back of the RVS phase.

I disagree with this but that could just be attributed to differences in game theory

*That being said, you're right I do have a tendency to have a great deal of disdain for D1 if the town is being bad and will just disappear until late game after the distracting voices have died off before participating. You probably caught me in one of those games.

I don't really like how Katsuki is leaving the door open to just disappear and not play much "if the town is being bad" but if she typically does this as town then this behavior could be hard to read

I think I'm probably null with a slight scum lean here. The Dave scumread doesn't feel great and I think scum generally have a harder time coming up with legit scumreads

[davesaz]

The rest of his posting has been underwhelming

The game is rather underwhelming so far, why should I be any different?

[Black]

@Hu what do you mean by "rigid" exactly? These posts give off a rigid vibe to me but maybe we're using different definitions

I'm willing to trust that you have a much more solid meta read on kitty than I do but I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly about him

Spoiler: meow

Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

...I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Scum response.

VOTE: Naerys

Agree Katsuki's post is interesting.
Makes me think it's my first time witnessing a slip, after lecturing people for a couple months on how they don't happen.

Why is everyone so sure of this being a slip and not a joke claim.

Someone claiming an evil role within the first few pages is 99% of the time joking. I mean it could be a 1000000IQ play where they're telling the truth and passing it off as a joke, but really?

Thomith's mention of werewolves would have made my eyeballs go click but it's a reasonable guess given clues in the rules post.

Village is always paired with WWs. It's not a reasonable guess. It's obvious.

I'm willing to give myself some more time to see where my Black read develops given player unfamiliarity.

Happier to push this one to a lynch.

UNVOTE, VOTE: DAVE

Can you use vote tags?

Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

Katsuki what exactly does your role do

I think Katsuki’s claim deserves a closer glance
Not sure it’s real but it makes me look askance

These 3 posts about Katsukis claim make me want to keep an eye on these slots.
I feel like it was obvious the Juggernaut claim was a joke, and I do feel like it could be an easy opportunity for an opportunistic scum to jump on that.

This post actually makes me SR Thom.
VOTE: Thomith

Why?

The fact that juggernaut claim is joke can be obvious only to scum. Plus it feels like you felt a chance to put some shade on us

I'm sorry if this comes across as rude but this post feels like being dense on purpose.

This is so weird.

I don't see how it's not obvious that it's a joke.

Thomith's mention of werewolves would have made my eyeballs go click but it's a reasonable guess given clues in the rules post.

Wdym?

The anti-town faction would know what their name is. If there were not other clues that it isn't "mafia" like usual, it would be potentially interesting to mention it.

Again, it is literally mentioned in the opening posts that this is a villager vs werewolf game?

ikr, is everyone in this game high or what?

What are those bizarre accusations flying left and right.

And that scum is Naerys.

[Katsuki]

Who is it?

I intentionally left out the name.

[Black]

@Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?

I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse of

"oh I forgot"

. The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.

There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.

Bring it

[Black]

Who is it?

I intentionally left out the name.

I think you've made a little obvious that it's me though

Make your case

[davesaz]

Black and Dragon feel town.
I want to look at Gamma's vote. I have a potentially interesting take on the rhyme gimmick but will need more data to firm it up.
Naerys reason on Thomith feels genuine from memory but I don't think it's correct.
Hu Tao is showing a lot of range on having a variable play style. Despite noticing that I will have to re-read a couple things that I'm not sure on whether they're wrong theory or disingenous.

[davesaz]

convenient excuse of "oh I forgot"

Forgetting is a RL thing. Accusing me of lying about RL is a pretty dangerous thing to do.

[Katsuki]

The rest of his posting has been underwhelming

The game is rather underwhelming so far, why should I be any different?

For starters, I disagree with the assertion that this game is rather underwhelming so far. If anything, this D1 has probably been one of the more productive ones out of the the games I've played in like the past 7 years it seems.

Since the above is simply my opinion, that aside even if we were to take your statement as fact that this game is underwhelming, the gamestate is independent to your ability to post in line with your alignment if town.

I'm obviously not going to convince you that you're scum, but its the wording and tone on posts like this that feel off to me compared to past experiences of Davetown.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve only this once before to memory, so I’m concerned
What data davesaz thinks he can upturn

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve only *done* this once before to memory, so I’m concerned
What data davesaz thinks he can upturn

[Katsuki]

convenient excuse of "oh I forgot"

Forgetting is a RL thing. Accusing me of lying about RL is a pretty dangerous thing to do.

Neither of us can prove it, it is what it is, hence why I haven't pushed you on it at all, only on the way you entered this game which I found off.

[Thomith]

Black and Dragon feel town.
I want to look at Gamma's vote. I have a potentially interesting take on the rhyme gimmick but will need more data to firm it up.
Naerys reason on Thomith feels genuine from memory but I don't think it's correct.
Hu Tao is showing a lot of range on having a variable play style. Despite noticing that I will have to re-read a couple things that I'm not sure on whether they're wrong theory or disingenous.

What makes you feel like Black and Dragon are town?

[Katsuki]

My general impression is she doesn’t like day one
So she does silly things to make it more fun

It depends. RVS is the best period of the game for scumhunting. Entire games can be won off the back of the RVS phase.

I disagree with this but that could just be attributed to differences in game theory

The two cleanest town games I've played in, one was a 13p that ended in 3 RL days (3hrs actual day time) because we caught all the scum in RVS, and the other was a 13p team mafia game that ended in 3 days as well because we caught 2 scum off their first posts of the game. It's not something you have to subscribe to, but was there really a need for you to pick this particular point out?

[biancospino]

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