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[Broccoli Quest 2]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

Too bad for you, Hu Tao is my Savior target for today so we're not voting her.

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

Nope. You should stop scumreading anyone who scumreads you.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

The lim today is Trimmer, thank you.

[Hu Tao]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

Too bad for you, Hu Tao is my Savior target for today so we're not voting her.

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

Nope. You should stop scumreading anyone who scumreads you.

It's not that. It just doesn't make sense for town to think that way.

[Hu Tao]

The lim today is Trimmer, thank you.

I still think this is town and we are just going for the easy Elim which gives no info.

[Naerys]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

Too bad for you, Hu Tao is my Savior target for today so we're not voting her.

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

Nope. You should stop scumreading anyone who scumreads you.

It's not that. It just doesn't make sense for town to think that way.

Not if RN believes scum team has another blocker and his shot was blocked.

[davesaz]

If Andres didn't send mail because forgot, i choke from laugh.

Technically that's not an explicit confirmation that you didn't get a message. I know people who have to lie by omission because personality.

[Random Nurse]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

Too bad for you, Hu Tao is my Savior target for today so we're not voting her.

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

Nope. You should stop scumreading anyone who scumreads you.

It's not that. It just doesn't make sense for town to think that way.

Bullshit.

How do you know a Scum PR didn't target me last Night?

[davesaz]

The lim today is Trimmer, thank you.

Can we get an explicit yes or no on receiving a message please?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

The lim today is Trimmer, thank you.

Can we get an explicit yes or no on receiving a message please?

No clue why you think this is important considering Andres is confed, but no, I did not receive a message.

[davesaz]

I may slip up from time to time confusing similar roles like babysitter / bodyguard (which was the source of thinking RN's target would die if scum) but given complete and accurate information solving logic puzzles is very much like my day job. (figuring out how a byte in memory got blasted by an unrelated program )

[Hu Tao]

How many VTs do we have in this game that re alive and dead?

[Enchant]

I will be busy due partying (sort of). Not VLA i will be here, but kinda... Yeah.


My primal question to Guillotine is why bother to CC Roden, who was obviously evil, but not CC Hu Tao? It probably resolved somewhere, but it requires me to look answers up in all these pages.

With "oh i couldn't protect so sorry i already protected that rolecop N1" sounds not to convincing, and mafia (who lost roleblocker) having undeniable knowledge that they will successfully perform kill with alive doctor claim is like attempt to rush in guarded gate, while honking noses of guards. Successfully.

... Eh. Guilotine probably just mafia, who "CCed" Roden, i put it that.

[Naerys]

Guillotine and naerys

This actually gave me an idea.
@RandomNurse perhaps you could shoot at Guillo, to see if he is town or not. This plus limming Timmer feels like good course of action.

[Guillotina]

@Mod VLA until January 2nd of 2024

Sorry but this is the busiest time for me.

[Guillotina]

RN if you are not gonna target Dave, target one of the miller claims please.

I think trying to change the plan at the last second causes confusion and is scummy.

Yah? RN said he was gonna target Naerys and I said it is useless as she confirmed herself to me, I actually suggested he stayed on course by targeting Dave and if he was not gonna do it then to target the millers aka you or Kyouko. So?

I said I MIGHT, not that I WAS.

I did mention possibly targeting Naerys to instill some doubt into Scum.

I did target Hu Tao.

I'm not 100% convinced because there could have been interference by a Scum PR.

Ok then. So as long as we don't see a scum flip that reveals a role that could potentially influence your result, we must treat it as a clear.

[Random Nurse]

RN if you are not gonna target Dave, target one of the miller claims please.

I think trying to change the plan at the last second causes confusion and is scummy.

Yah? RN said he was gonna target Naerys and I said it is useless as she confirmed herself to me, I actually suggested he stayed on course by targeting Dave and if he was not gonna do it then to target the millers aka you or Kyouko. So?

I said I MIGHT, not that I WAS.

I did mention possibly targeting Naerys to instill some doubt into Scum.

I did target Hu Tao.

I'm not 100% convinced because there could have been interference by a Scum PR.

Ok then. So as long as we don't see a scum flip that reveals a role that could potentially influence your result, we must treat it as a clear.

VOTE: Guillotina

[Guillotina]

If anything kill makes sense.

How so? I dont see much logic. I expected Nurse/dave to be NKed

Because we operate on not full knowledge, and mafia also knows it.


While we assume that RN are town (i still believe so), it's not confirmed, and Dave may or may not be useless or town or both of these really. It's less confirmed that FN claims, which had more strong conftown standing, due uh, being paired.

If anything, mafia can fearmonger us with second roleblockers even if RN and Dave town. We never confirm Hu Tao as town until mafia all dies or we flip second roleblocker somehow (which may not even exist). Hood fails if Dave roleblocked as well, giving false result. That's point.


Basically: I also expected RN to die, but kill is totally not outrageously nonsense, that's sounds pretty valid way of play for mafia. FN may be more dangerous for them.

Let's just assume Hu Tao town for time being.

I don't read into night kills because WIFOM exists but I agree, mechanically speaking, Naerys and Andres are the 100% cleared town here.

[Guillotina]

Eventually they'll slip up, get too scared, post too little or too much, or some other thing. Perhaps I should start probing and getting more active. I've had a LOT of shit go down in real life that's made it hell trying to stay active: the horrors persist, but so do I.

Maybe I should start looking at who's refraining from engaging, and start ripping shit up.

I have been inactive because work during the holidays in my opportunity to make money over any other season, I don't know who else is in the same position but I will always prioritize real life and my income over a hobby, so I think it is best to not angleshoot activity during holidays cause that is a recipe for losing a game.

[Guillotina]

If Andres didn't send mail because forgot, i choke from laugh.

He died. Unless the night order of operations is different here, communications happen after kills everywhere I play.

[Guillotina]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Eeeeeh you are not

100% confirmed

town but you are likely town anyway given how Gamma tried to spin the story that you were her counterclaim. I still hate you for faking my role, what the hell were you thinking, what if a newbie was the doctor and they CCed you?

[Guillotina]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

This guy is tunneled

[Guillotina]

I do think mafia could have a backup alien. Maybe neither of the power roles threaten mafia because they can roleblock Random Nurse and a mafia goon did not lie about being a PR for Davesaz' role.

Do you scumread Hu Tao though?

I will always suspect the role claim shenanigans they pulled this game

I'm pretty much confirmed town. Please stop with this, it adds nothing. What do you think of the other slots? Anyone you see as a pair?

Gut does not like this response.

Too bad for you, Hu Tao is my Savior target for today so we're not voting her.

Maybe RN is scum. Because that makes 0 sense.

Nope. You should stop scumreading anyone who scumreads you.

It's not that. It just doesn't make sense for town to think that way.

Why would scum fake that they'll check you and come here and confirm they actually did instead of saying that it failed or something?

[Guillotina]

I will be busy due partying (sort of). Not VLA i will be here, but kinda... Yeah.


My primal question to Guillotine is why bother to CC Roden, who was obviously evil, but not CC Hu Tao? It probably resolved somewhere, but it requires me to look answers up in all these pages.

Cause I'm a mafia vet not a newbie, if Hu Tao was scum fake claiming doc, that is precisely what a scum near an elimination would try to do, to claim a protection role to make them out, kill them at night and leave town without protection.
Hence why I didn't and proceeded to promote their elimination until Gamma came along with their AtE.

[Guillotina]

Guillotine and naerys

This actually gave me an idea.
@RandomNurse perhaps you could shoot at Guillo, to see if he is town or not. This plus limming Timmer feels like good course of action.

This is totally useless, his ability should be used to clear the PoE. I am not PoE, I'm night kill material.

[Guillotina]

RN if you are not gonna target Dave, target one of the miller claims please.

I think trying to change the plan at the last second causes confusion and is scummy.

Yah? RN said he was gonna target Naerys and I said it is useless as she confirmed herself to me, I actually suggested he stayed on course by targeting Dave and if he was not gonna do it then to target the millers aka you or Kyouko. So?

I said I MIGHT, not that I WAS.

I did mention possibly targeting Naerys to instill some doubt into Scum.

I did target Hu Tao.

I'm not 100% convinced because there could have been interference by a Scum PR.

Ok then. So as long as we don't see a scum flip that reveals a role that could potentially influence your result, we must treat it as a clear.

VOTE: Guillotina

What? You got a result from your own very role and instead you wanna make judgements based on paranoia and mechanic speculation, no, we are not gonna do that.

Kill timmer please.