Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Bingle]

Now to lay the groundwork for an enchant pocket.

Enchant clearly has the most sheepable reads itt.

[Bingle]

I mean bloop.

[Bingle]

I would like to hear from Bingle since I changed my read on him.

I really do think the last minute scramble off of the two of us seems scum motivated. My gut says you don’t want me to flip because it’s going to make it hard for you to live through tomorrow, but that doesn’t make a ton of sense with one of us presumably being cleared tonight.

I do need to look at the old cakez wagon reasonings because I can’t remember what they were, but I do still think the way cakez came into the game to being a huge topic of discussion and immediately started picking apart why was +town.

[Bingle]

flavor

VC 2.06

VC 2.06

AnimatedWiz (4): Dunnstral, Hu Tao, SirCakez, Roden
Celebloki (2): Flavor Leaf, AnimatedWiz
Hu Tao (1): Bingle
Naerys (1): Celebloki
RCEnigma (1): Naerys

Not voting (2): RCEnigma, Thomith

It takes 6 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-28 00:59:40).

Combined mod ISO: here.

flavor

VC 2.07

VC 2.07

SirCakez (4): Roden, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, Thomith
Celebloki (1): AnimatedWiz
Hu Tao (1): Bingle
Naerys (1): Celebloki
RCEnigma (1): Naerys

Not voting (3): RCEnigma, Dunnstral, SirCakez

It takes 6 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-30 00:59:40).

Combined mod ISO: here.

Note: deadline has been prolonged by two days

Right, so cakez seems to be a response to the wiz wagon falling apart with the claim. I’m noticing a pattern of names that have tended to vote together, so I should probably make a vote timeline spreadsheet while I’m still on vacation.

VOTE: Cakez

VOTE: Cakez

I'm still fine with cakes

VOTE: Cakez

Of the options mentioned I'm most okay with this for now.

VOTE: SirCakez

That should be E-2

Yeah… this doesn’t have a lot of “reasoning that was made clear last time. If anything it’s a bunch of people talking about how I’m vaguely scummy and then inexplicably voting cakez.

If I’m wrong on Hu Tao, I feel pretty strongly that VOTE: roden is the bad actor here.

[Bingle]

I’ll write up a case in a couple of hours, but roden just doesn’t seem to be arguing in good faith at all, and his actions don’t really match his stated beliefs.

[Thomith]

I’ll write up a case in a couple of hours, but roden just doesn’t seem to be arguing in good faith at all, and his actions don’t really match his stated beliefs.

I'm getting gut pings which is making me suspect Flavor/Roden, but I feel like I have no proof of this, as I was heavily TRing them day 1 I'm worried I'm getting paranoid because this day phase has been a bit of a slog/mess.
I'll be interested in the case of Roden and hopefully I can solidify a read there based on if I disagree/agree

[Flavor Leaf]

If Roden and I were scum together, there’d have been a fade already.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wagon starting Roden is generally a town Roden

[Elements]

someone ask me something
I need direction

[Bingle]

Wagon starting Roden is generally a town Roden

Wdym by this, because I don't really see the roden wagon as roden being proactive. It just seems like other people don't have anywhere to go and are sheeping a case that wasn't even half assed to begin with.

[Bingle]

someone ask me something
I need direction

I mean... I think a good start would be to look at the Hu Tao/Bingle interactions for the last like 3 weeks. I think Hu is scum pretty strongly, but I also seem to be alone there. Weighing in on that whole progression is probably the best way to jump into the meat of things.

[Bingle]

If Roden and I were scum together, there’d have been a fade already.

I mean... I doubt it? I've been the biggest roadblock to your mutual pushes, and I don't suddenly become less so a roadblock if you're scum. Still town FL energy here though.

[Elements]

someone ask me something
I need direction

I mean... I think a good start would be to look at the Hu Tao/Bingle interactions for the last like 3 weeks. I think Hu is scum pretty strongly, but I also seem to be alone there. Weighing in on that whole progression is probably the best way to jump into the meat of things.

is there anywhere it starts or is it kinda just the whole game?

[Bingle]

I’ve read up, but I’m working from 7 AM til midnight tomorrow and I don’t particularly want to effort atm, so you get to wait until the weekend.

Unironically, FL, we let the night phase sort Celebloki.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I’ll sheep you here though.

This is probably where you'd want to start.

[Elements]

ta

[Flavor Leaf]

If Roden and I were scum together, there’d have been a fade already.

I mean... I doubt it? I've been the biggest roadblock to your mutual pushes, and I don't suddenly become less so a roadblock if you're scum. Still town FL energy here though.

Frankly, we’d probs have an extra scum member, and either of us could be pushing harder when I’ve basically checked out this day phase

[Flavor Leaf]

Every time Roden is town i hear the same type of arguments.

When Roden is scum, those arguments are not there

[AnimatedWiz]

Not to rush anyone

too

much, but we have 16 hours left in Day 2. If push comes to shove, we may have to make a suboptimal choice together—an unhappy compromise elim or no elim at all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Compromise on Cakez to help deal with this Bingle/Hu Tao scenario, and move to next day with more info

[Flavor Leaf]

If Roden and I were scum together, there’d have been a fade already.

I mean... I doubt it? I've been the biggest roadblock to your mutual pushes, and I don't suddenly become less so a roadblock if you're scum. Still town FL energy here though.

Also, i feel like we had 1 mutual push in Celebloki, so idk what energy you trying to put out there.

[Bingle]

Both Cakez wagons, my wagon, and I thought you were on the dunn wagon as well. Also known as all of the pushes I've stood against today.

[Bingle]

When Roden is scum, those arguments are not there

Who, other than me, has even voiced suspicion of Roden?

[SirCakez]

Compromise on Cakez to help deal with this Bingle/Hu Tao scenario, and move to next day with more info

How does elimming me help the Bingle/hu situation?

[Flavor Leaf]

When Roden is scum, those arguments are not there

Who, other than me, has even voiced suspicion of Roden?

You’re bringing it up a day before deadline.

You keep presenting this game as “Bingle needs to protect it from Flavor”

But I’m also here protecting the game from a possible ScumBingle here, when there is a much larger scum case to be made on you rather than Roden, imo.

And, if what you say is true, that you’re the only one suspicious of Roden,

Why go for Roden in that sense?

[Flavor Leaf]

Compromise on Cakez to help deal with this Bingle/Hu Tao scenario, and move to next day with more info

How does elimming me help the Bingle/hu situation?

You are a means to an end and a compromise fade, and a repercussion of the unresolved Hu Tao/Bingle, let’s not make it out to be anything more than it is