Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Elements]

Bloop

[Flavor Leaf]

You wanna push a Bingle or Hu Tao, then do it, and stop the woe is me card.

I’ll fade a woe is me as a compromise if they’re an IC to get through the next day.

(Maybe not an IC, but the hyperbole felt valid)

[Elements]

I’ve read up, but I’m working from 7 AM til midnight tomorrow and I don’t particularly want to effort atm, so you get to wait until the weekend.

Unironically, FL, we let the night phase sort Celebloki.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I’ll sheep you here though.

This is probably where you'd want to start.

Should be able to read through this tomorrow before deadline and I should be around for the deadline too
But for now, sleep

[Flavor Leaf]

I have very few strong town reads this game, so when one of them do get voted at one day til deadline, I’m going to do what i can to stop it from being a rush panic fade, which if Bingle is scum, is exactly what they were hoping to have happen.

[Bingle]

Wagon starting Roden is generally a town Roden

Leaf, this is a bizarre take. Roden has started literally one wagon and has been voting on established wagons exclusively other than that. Like... He followed me onto gob and then stayed there all of D1. He pushed Dunn AFTER calling dunn town and my defense there, with nothing in the interim really explaining why he went from the soft defense of

I think Dunn is the type of player to favor responding to quote pings as scum vs posting individual thoughts that aren't meant for anyone in particular. His activity is a little low, but he's had a mix of responding to people while also doing his own thing. He's also posting plenty of thoughts and why he scum reads certain slots, so I'm not super sold on scum!Dunn.

I'll go over my hammer again... I didn't believe the doctor claim. Leaving gob alive gives other players a chance to unvote gob, which reveals them as not doctor to mafia. Hammering gob also makes mafia think I could be a pr like doctor due to my hammer.

solid rehearsed reasoning.

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

either way, im okay with going over other options for sure.

I like this unvote.

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VOTE: Dunn

especially in the middle of roden softly agreeing that Celeb was sketch for being willing to be wagoned. Then he spent like 5 posts justifying a celeb scumread to himself before putting celeb at E-1 and immediately unvoting when it was noted that was E-1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I ain’t gonna argue the semantics of it all, you pushed for starting a wagon, I responded to my take on it

I’ve forgotten most of the happenings, so I’m taking that at face value and stop gating at the very least what i remember of being one of my top town reads.

Pick a diff wagon

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s 16 hours until deadline, that’s a panic wagon fade possibility, and i see that from a mile away.

[Bingle]

When Roden is scum, those arguments are not there

Who, other than me, has even voiced suspicion of Roden?

You’re bringing it up a day before deadline.

You keep presenting this game as “Bingle needs to protect it from Flavor”

But I’m also here protecting the game from a possible ScumBingle here, when there is a much larger scum case to be made on you rather than Roden, imo.

And, if what you say is true, that you’re the only one suspicious of Roden,

Why go for Roden in that sense?

You do realize that I'm hard townreading you and every time we're tvt I heavily encourage you wildly swinging back and forth while pointing out when I think you're wrong, right?

And I'm posting my suspicions of roden because I'm suspicious of roden. I was holding off on it because I didn't want to drag attention away from the Hu Tao elimination.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure. Then do it tomorrow, not at 16 hours until deadline.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fatigue + deadline panic = giant opportunity for flash wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have not swung on Roden once this game while considering all options, generally always, so i feel the “wildly swinging back and forth” is overexerted.

My reads have evolved gradually, and my pushes have gotten results, IE Celebloki and Dunnstral both getting more involved in the game and this was able to be town read through my pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

I pushed through your defenses of it, and was able to help show why they were town rather than just be told so, which is far better in the long run.

The difference is, I already saw the possibilities of town Celeb and Dunn while pushing them, and didn’t hate the reasons.

Roden on the other hand, i don’t even agree with the reasons being presented, and feel they’re far weaker

[Bingle]

It’s 16 hours until deadline, that’s a panic wagon fade possibility, and i see that from a mile away.

Nah, it's a 'maybe I die here, I should probably try to head off the poorly reasoned townlock' thing, but you do you.

[Flavor Leaf]

With Roden, even if they end up being scum, it’s something that deserves the shine to be talked and discussed about, if only to get other people’s opinions on the slot and actions, not given a lousy 16 hours to do all that.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s 16 hours until deadline, that’s a panic wagon fade possibility, and i see that from a mile away.

Nah, it's a 'maybe I die here, I should probably try to head off the poorly reasoned townlock' thing, but you do you.

In what world are you dying here over Cakez?

[Bingle]

I have not swung on Roden once this game while considering all options, generally always, so i feel the “wildly swinging back and forth” is overexerted.

Wildly swinging is a you thing, not a this game thing. It's how our dynamic usually works, which you well know.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn’t call it wild. It’s very controlled.

[Bingle]

It’s 16 hours until deadline, that’s a panic wagon fade possibility, and i see that from a mile away.

Nah, it's a 'maybe I die here, I should probably try to head off the poorly reasoned townlock' thing, but you do you.

In what world are you dying here over Cakez?

In a world where I'm a likely cop target and leaving the claimed cops alive to cause confusion is probable, I'm not an unreasonable nk. Especially if scum does actually have a rb.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it’s because I consider all the options and then add pressure where i want people to defend/case

[Flavor Leaf]

Celeb is already on me, and Wiz on Celeb?

You think we have another cop?

[Bingle]

I wouldn’t call it wild. It’s very controlled.

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Your biggest asset is that it's incredibly hard for scum to predict when you might turn around and start blasting them. Sure, you have internal reasons, but the visible thread presence is wild swinging from one push to another.

[Bingle]

Celeb is already on me, and Wiz on Celeb?

You think we have another cop?

Celeb is on one of {you, me, Hu Tao} assuming Cakez lim, and honestly I think you're the least likely of those. But yeah, actually I think we do have another investigative role and something weak as a protective.

[SirCakez]

Compromise on Cakez to help deal with this Bingle/Hu Tao scenario, and move to next day with more info

How does elimming me help the Bingle/hu situation?

You are a means to an end and a compromise fade, and a repercussion of the unresolved Hu Tao/Bingle, let’s not make it out to be anything more than it is

I would understand this take if I saw how me getting elimmed benefits town at all versus other elimination potentials

[Bingle]

Like... rolecop/neap is very weak town investigation and if scum has a blocker that's just painfully low power.

If neap is scum, we necessarily have another invest.

If blocker is town, we have the blocker as another invest.

Basically, town is confirmed to have another invest role.

[SirCakez]

You wanna push a Bingle or Hu Tao, then do it, and stop the woe is me card.

I’ll fade a woe is me as a compromise if they’re an IC to get through the next day.

(Maybe not an IC, but the hyperbole felt valid)

I can't see myself alone being able to swing the momentum, there are too many apathetic/hostile slots towards me incl Roden, Wiz, Thomith