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[Random Nurse]

This is not a game for a newbie, and even when I ask an effing question, I get told I'm feigning being town and making my questions up. So there's literally nowhere for me to go.

I agree it's not a game for a newbie. I am not really sure why you signed up for it considering it's clearly tagged as mechanically complex.

Still, let me help you. Mechanical clear means that the mechanics of the game (i.e power roles) cleared a person. A person who is investigated inno by a cop is a mech clear. A person who is an un'cced PR in an open game with said PR is a mechanical clear.

No one in this game is actually a public mechanical clear, but Naerys (who claimed Friendly Neighbor on Guillotina) is a mechanical clear in the eyes of Guillotina, and since I think Guillotine is town then I also consider Naerys a mechanical clear. Hu Tao is a mechanical clear IF there is no roleblocker / rolestopper, due to how RN's role works (ssbm_Kyouko explained it earlier).

You seriously think this person is scum? Can we please try something else?

I hate what i have to write, but limming Timmer makes sense. He is clearly struggling, doesnt really know what to do. I kinda feel like it would be mercy for him to be eliminated and not having to suffer anymore. We can afford a mislim and for us its also better not keeping him here untill endgame.
Also he could be scum, i remember how Khaos acted so its not really that unlikely.

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Who did you share you were FN to again?

[Random Nurse]

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...if ssbm is Scum she is playing very well.

How likely it is, I wonder, if there's one Scum among Timmer, BQ2, and Hu Tao?

Guillotina I'd be open to limming today.

I also want to check who Naery's FN target was again.

[Random Nurse]

Dunnstral hanging out in the periphery just within eyesight is annoying me.

[Naerys]

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...if ssbm is Scum she is playing very well.

How likely it is, I wonder, if there's one Scum among Timmer, BQ2, and Hu Tao?

Guillotina I'd be open to limming today.

I also want to check who Naery's FN target was again.

Guillotina was.

[Naerys]

I think some of you underestimate the clueless and helpless behavior of Timmer. Admittedly this game is very hard for newbies, so he could be just town. But he also could be scum taking advantage of reactions like Hu Taos "This is 1000% town"
I think the better lim for today is Timmer. With Guillo perhaps being sorted at night by Nurse.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also how likely is it really that vanilla Hu Tao fakeclaims Guillo's exact modifiers? Complex Indecisive, minus the 2-shot? If I were in town!Guillo's shoes I would think Hu Tao's claim must be coming from an Informed role

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and Broc last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

I am a complex indecisive doctor. That sounds about right

Hold on. Let me look at my role pm

The only similarity here is the Indecisive.

Anyway, I don't have any motivation to try and find scum among the people I TR before we either get rid of Timmer or he actually starts to solve.

[Hu Tao]

This is not a game for a newbie, and even when I ask an effing question, I get told I'm feigning being town and making my questions up. So there's literally nowhere for me to go.

I agree it's not a game for a newbie. I am not really sure why you signed up for it considering it's clearly tagged as mechanically complex.

Still, let me help you. Mechanical clear means that the mechanics of the game (i.e power roles) cleared a person. A person who is investigated inno by a cop is a mech clear. A person who is an un'cced PR in an open game with said PR is a mechanical clear.

No one in this game is actually a public mechanical clear, but Naerys (who claimed Friendly Neighbor on Guillotina) is a mechanical clear in the eyes of Guillotina, and since I think Guillotine is town then I also consider Naerys a mechanical clear. Hu Tao is a mechanical clear IF there is no roleblocker / rolestopper, due to how RN's role works (ssbm_Kyouko explained it earlier).

You seriously think this person is scum? Can we please try something else?

If I'm 100% honest, I don't have amazing reasons to think Timmer is scum. But I do have pretty good reasons for almost everyone else to be town so I am kind of at a loss here

Do you wanna wagon Dunn (or Kyo even) and see what happens?

No. I think those 2 are town. I'd be more for enchant but I'm not even sure if why of the VT are scum here

[Hu Tao]

Also how likely is it really that vanilla Hu Tao fakeclaims Guillo's exact modifiers? Complex Indecisive, minus the 2-shot? If I were in town!Guillo's shoes I would think Hu Tao's claim must be coming from an Informed role

This is why I think guilo is scum too. I think this is the best vote.

VOTE: guillotine

[Hu Tao]

I think some of you underestimate the clueless and helpless behavior of Timmer. Admittedly this game is very hard for newbies, so he could be just town. But he also could be scum taking advantage of reactions like Hu Taos "This is 1000% town"
I think the better lim for today is Timmer. With Guillo perhaps being sorted at night by Nurse.

I think on tone he's town. And I don't like the attitude of just voting someone because they don't understand or not trying. That's an easy way out. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.

[Hu Tao]

Also how likely is it really that vanilla Hu Tao fakeclaims Guillo's exact modifiers? Complex Indecisive, minus the 2-shot? If I were in town!Guillo's shoes I would think Hu Tao's claim must be coming from an Informed role

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and Broc last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

I am a complex indecisive doctor. That sounds about right

Hold on. Let me look at my role pm

The only similarity here is the Indecisive.

Anyway, I don't have any motivation to try and find scum among the people I TR before we either get rid of Timmer or he actually starts to solve.

Voting someone just because they can't solve doesn't seem like the play.

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RCTimmer has requested replacement.

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@Mod VLA until January 2nd of 2024

Sorry but this is the busiest time for me.

Acknowledged.

[Naerys]

I think on tone he's town. And I don't like the attitude of just voting someone because they don't understand or not trying. That's an easy way out. Sometimes you need to read between the lines.

How can you be certain that its not an act, and he isnt simply using exactly this belief against us? Timmer needs to be sorted.
Pedit: Well...Now its kind of pointless discussing this.

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Vote Count 4.2

TimmerRC

(E-2): Guillotina, Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral, Naerys,

Guillotina

(E-4): Random Nurse, ssbm_Kyouko, Hu Tao,

Hu Tao

(E-6):

Dunnstral

(E-6):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-6):

Enchant

(E-6):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-6):

Naerys

(E-6):

davesaz

(E-6):

Random Nurse

(E-6):

Not Voting

: davesaz, Enchant, TimmerRC

With 10 alive it takes 6 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-06 21:48:36).

Mod Notes: Due to New Years, the deadline is being extended. I will be a little more lenient on prods over this period, but please let me know if you plan to be V/LA due to the holidays so that you don't accidentally get replaced.

[Random Nurse]

RCTimmer has requested replacement.

*sigh*

[Random Nurse]

I'd be fine with a Guillotina flip today.

What are the odds a VCA would yield anything worthwhile?

[Naerys]

I kind of pity the person that will reúlace Timmer.

[Guillotina]

You guys are willaging but sure go ahead and flip me before say Timmer, Enchant or even the Millers.

But before that

1) @Kuyouko you that are very prone to looking at old games to hunt for scum, how come you are not looking at this game's to realize that I have no scum motivation for how I handled Hu Tao when they faked doctor and how I proceeded to handle Hu Tao until I found that bit where Gamma pushed Hu Tao as CC.
How come you don't see that that is how a doctor must handle someone faking their claim.

Why does it bother you that I'm a 2-shot? Why are those grounds to consider me for an elimination? Because I'm useless to you now? or is it because you wanna exploit some irrationally paranoid people into elimnating me? or if you are town, how come you cant read between the lines?

2) How come you are not going back to read my interactions with both Gamma and the Roden slot? One which emotionally reacted to me when they ATEd, do you think that is what scum would decide to fake? is that fakeable?

Have you made yourselves these questions.

Are your basis for eliminating other than meta-ing the host or the setup or just dumb paranoia?

[Hu Tao]

Can we unvote Timmer? Since he's being replaced now.

[Naerys]

UNVOTE:

[Naerys]

You guys are willaging but sure go ahead and flip me before say Timmer, Enchant or even the Millers.

I agree that millers should be atleast looked into.

[Random Nurse]

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[Naerys]

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Trust me, i want this game to be over already.

[Random Nurse]

CSF Scumread Gamma (we know they're both Scum).

We already know Celebloki is Town, and from my standpoint I'm Town.

I'm inclined to believe CSF would at least Scumread one member and Townread another member.

In #536 she marked Hu Tao, Kawaii (dead Town), SSBM, and Elements as Town.

Hu Tao, SSBM, Elements...

Part of me wants to think CSF would put one of each team member in Town, Scum, and Null territory.

Gamma was already in Scum territory for CSF. For Town it could be HT/SSBM/Elements. Null, one of the rest.

CSF questioning Guillotina in #547 could be an attempt to distance.

[Dunnstral]

Can we unvote Timmer? Since he's being replaced now.

Why should replacing out make us unvote them?