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[Dunnstral]

1) @Kuyouko you that are very prone to looking at old games to hunt for scum, how come you are not looking at this game's to realize that I have no scum motivation for how I handled Hu Tao when they faked doctor and how I proceeded to handle Hu Tao until I found that bit where Gamma pushed Hu Tao as CC.
How come you don't see that that is how a doctor must handle someone faking their claim.

Why does it bother you that I'm a 2-shot? Why are those grounds to consider me for an elimination? Because I'm useless to you now? or is it because you wanna exploit some irrationally paranoid people into elimnating me? or if you are town, how come you cant read between the lines?

2648, 2657

Some of your arguments don't logically follow from your position as I've pointed out in the above posts.

You claim you were not claiming your target because you were indecisive, yet you had only cc'd with "doctor", you had never mentioned being indecisive. As I pointed out, mafia would not have assumed you could not target the same person again, even if you had claimed your target.

Further, with you being a claimed doctor, mafia went ahead and killed Celebloki anyway. This happened right after the mafia alien was eliminated. This to me suggests that either you are lying about your role, or mafia has another way to get around your role (because they didn't know the specifics of your role at this time, as I've pointed out.) Backup alien would work; if you're town they could use alien on you and kill Celeboki, and now use alien on Random Nurse.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral hanging out in the periphery just within eyesight is annoying me.

You've done much worse this game lad. Posted nothing of value for ~6 days and then asked what the rush was while the game was stalled.

[Dunnstral]

You guys are willaging but sure go ahead and flip me before say Timmer, Enchant or even the Millers.

I agree that millers should be atleast looked into.

We are all ears

[Random Nurse]

Dunnstral hanging out in the periphery just within eyesight is annoying me.

You've done much worse this game lad. Posted nothing of value for ~6 days and then asked what the rush was while the game was stalled.

As Town I don't HAVE to be active. Me feeling you're in the periphery just within eyesight is my opinion, and my activity level has no bearing giving that opinion. Also we had well over a week left so we COULD have made use of that time instead of rushing with that mis-lim.

If you're Scum be VERY careful how you rerspond to me.

[Dunnstral]

Well as Town I don't HAVE to be active either then.

[Naerys]

You guys are willaging but sure go ahead and flip me before say Timmer, Enchant or even the Millers.

I agree that millers should be atleast looked into.

We are all ears

Well as Town I don't HAVE to be active either then.

Lets not be active together.

[Random Nurse]

Well as Town I don't HAVE to be active either then.

It's not quite the same but I appreciate the attempt.

Currently I feel that you're ever-present but hanging back. That's typically how you play, and it makes me feel paranoid because then I can barely read you and it feels like my focus is barely on you because you're in the background.

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count 2.6

Roden

(E-0): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, Hu Tao, Guillotina, Elements, Naerys,

Hu Tao

(E-6): Random Nurse, Roden,

Elements

(E-6): Keyleth, Andresvmb,

Naerys,

Dunnstral

(E-8):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-8):

Keyleth

(E-8):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-8):

Celebloki

(E-8):

TimmerRC

(E-8):

Andresvmb

(E-8):

Naerys

(E-8):

davesaz

(E-8):

Guillotina

(E-8):

Random Nurse

(E-8):

Not Voting

: TimmerRC, Celebloki,

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-17 14:00:00).

Mod Notes: None!

What the fuck is this game?

I counterclaim Roden, im the doctor.

I also may or may not counterclaim Broc

but i now believe Roden is scum

Because:

1) He is a frozen slot.
2) He is claiming my role and there is no way there are two doctors.
3) He claimed full doctor and it does not make sense given the modifier i have.
4) He claimed his target, doctors dont do that.
(Also Dunn is scummy for asking an alleged doctor for their target, could be distancing.)
5) He claimed to have protected a miller claim, what town doctor does that?
6) The pattern i found in his slot.
7) The way gob tried to rolefish me yesterday.

It goes without saying i will not claim whom i protected last night but let's gooooo!

VOTE: Roden

If you want to do VCA this is probably where to look, and if you believe Guillo can be mafia you want to look at the second post and decide if they are gambitting mafia who cc'd their own team member

[Dunnstral]

Roden (E-0): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, Hu Tao, Guillotina,

Elements

, Naerys
Hu Tao (E-6): Random Nurse,

Roden

Elements

(E-6): Keyleth,

Andresvmb

Not Voting: TimmerRC,

Celebloki

,

[Naerys]

Hmm.. actually more likely is kyo gambitting with gamma early, or perhaps it was planned so gamma then claimed gunsmith
Perhaps i should look at kyo more closely

[Dunnstral]

I think Enchant slot and TimmerRC look the worst here.

[Dunnstral]

Guillotina performing a gambit by ccing their partner is not impossible, but I don't have a problem with Celebloki dying if we consider that both davesaz and Random Nurse being left alive likely indicates mafia have more blocking power

[Hu Tao]

Can we unvote Timmer? Since he's being replaced now.

Why should replacing out make us unvote them?

Because the slot is town anyway. And if we get a good replacement hopefully they are able to obvtown

[Hu Tao]

Dunnstral hanging out in the periphery just within eyesight is annoying me.

You've done much worse this game lad. Posted nothing of value for ~6 days and then asked what the rush was while the game was stalled.

As Town I don't HAVE to be active. Me feeling you're in the periphery just within eyesight is my opinion, and my activity level has no bearing giving that opinion. Also we had well over a week left so we COULD have made use of that time instead of rushing with that mis-lim.

If you're Scum be VERY careful how you rerspond to me.

RN I think you get voted off before Dunn does this game tbh

[Hu Tao]

Guillotina performing a gambit by ccing their partner is not impossible, but I don't have a problem with Celebloki dying if we consider that both davesaz and Random Nurse being left alive likely indicates mafia have more blocking power

I think all scum are in enchant/RN/Guillotine/Naerys.

I can see it being Enchant and Guillotine

[Guillotina]

1) @Kuyouko you that are very prone to looking at old games to hunt for scum, how come you are not looking at this game's to realize that I have no scum motivation for how I handled Hu Tao when they faked doctor and how I proceeded to handle Hu Tao until I found that bit where Gamma pushed Hu Tao as CC.
How come you don't see that that is how a doctor must handle someone faking their claim.

Why does it bother you that I'm a 2-shot? Why are those grounds to consider me for an elimination? Because I'm useless to you now? or is it because you wanna exploit some irrationally paranoid people into elimnating me? or if you are town, how come you cant read between the lines?

2648, 2657

Some of your arguments don't logically follow from your position as I've pointed out in the above posts.

You claim you were not claiming your target because you were indecisive, yet you had only cc'd with "doctor", you had never mentioned being indecisive. As I pointed out, mafia would not have assumed you could not target the same person again, even if you had claimed your target.

Further, with you being a claimed doctor, mafia went ahead and killed Celebloki anyway. This happened right after the mafia alien was eliminated. This to me suggests that either you are lying about your role, or mafia has another way to get around your role (because they didn't know the specifics of your role at this time, as I've pointed out.) Backup alien would work; if you're town they could use alien on you and kill Celeboki, and now use alien on Random Nurse.

Is not fully claiming all the details of my role scum indicative?

I'm not getting what you are accusing me of? I partially claimed to CC yes, so?

[Guillotina]

Dunnstral hanging out in the periphery just within eyesight is annoying me.

You've done much worse this game lad. Posted nothing of value for ~6 days and then asked what the rush was while the game was stalled.

As Town I don't HAVE to be active

. Me feeling you're in the periphery just within eyesight is my opinion, and my activity level has no bearing giving that opinion. Also we had well over a week left so we COULD have made use of that time instead of rushing with that mis-lim.

If you're Scum be VERY careful how you rerspond to me.

So why were you trying to pursue the angle earlier that scum could be in the inactives and that they may slip up later?
This to me shows me that you yourself don't believe that inactive is alignment indicative but you hinted at pressuring there for those exact reasons, that's called agenda.

[Dunnstral]

Your thought process doesn't seem to fully line up. What I am accusing you of is being confused because you are fake claiming a role.

You first say:

Whst is so BRUH about not claiming your targets as doctor? Not claiming them makes it harder for scum to try to predict whom i cant protect the following night and they’d just hit me. It is obvious scum couldnt wait to kill the rolecop so much that they took the risk.

And in response I post:

You didn't claim indecisive until after you were out of shots

Do you see the problem here? With your claim of 'Doctor' there is no reason for mafia to assume that you cannot target the same player twice in a row. Your claim that mafia 'took the risk' doesn't make sense when considering that, and your own assumptions here don't make sense either.

[Guillotina]

Vote Count 2.6

Roden

(E-0): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, Hu Tao, Guillotina, Elements, Naerys,

Hu Tao

(E-6): Random Nurse, Roden,

Elements

(E-6): Keyleth, Andresvmb,

Naerys,

Dunnstral

(E-8):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-8):

Keyleth

(E-8):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-8):

Celebloki

(E-8):

TimmerRC

(E-8):

Andresvmb

(E-8):

Naerys

(E-8):

davesaz

(E-8):

Guillotina

(E-8):

Random Nurse

(E-8):

Not Voting

: TimmerRC, Celebloki,

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-17 14:00:00).

Mod Notes: None!

What the fuck is this game?

I counterclaim Roden, im the doctor.

I also may or may not counterclaim Broc

but i now believe Roden is scum

Because:

1) He is a frozen slot.
2) He is claiming my role and there is no way there are two doctors.
3) He claimed full doctor and it does not make sense given the modifier i have.
4) He claimed his target, doctors dont do that.
(Also Dunn is scummy for asking an alleged doctor for their target, could be distancing.)
5) He claimed to have protected a miller claim, what town doctor does that?
6) The pattern i found in his slot.
7) The way gob tried to rolefish me yesterday.

It goes without saying i will not claim whom i protected last night but let's gooooo!

VOTE: Roden

If you want to do VCA this is probably where to look, and if you believe Guillo can be mafia you want to look at the second post and decide if they are gambitting mafia who cc'd their own team member

For me to be mafia here with Roden, I would have to be a better role than Roden's. Alien has the capacity of roleblocking and protecting, why I as mafia CC them instead of letting them get away with it? Hu Tao got away with claiming doctor and retracting it later, Roden could have also accomplish it.

When Roden claimed doctor, like straight up doctor, after what Hu Tao pulled out, i figured that Roden's attempt was to hope he'd be CCed and two, that if he was not CCed, that he'd buy time to avoid an execution like Hu Tao did, I was not gonna allow that.

[Guillotina]

Your thought process doesn't seem to fully line up. What I am accusing you of is being confused because you are fake claiming a role.

You first say:

Whst is so BRUH about not claiming your targets as doctor? Not claiming them makes it harder for scum to try to predict whom i cant protect the following night and they’d just hit me. It is obvious scum couldnt wait to kill the rolecop so much that they took the risk.

And in response I post:

You didn't claim indecisive until after you were out of shots

Do you see the problem here? With your claim of 'Doctor' there is no reason for mafia to assume that you cannot target the same player twice in a row. Your claim that mafia 'took the risk' doesn't make sense when considering that, and your own assumptions here don't make sense either.

Now I'm more confused.

[Guillotina]

Of course there is no way for me to know why they didn't kill me instead of Cele, i can only try to guess of why they would but I don't know for certain.

Yes, I'm indecisive, yes scum couldn't possibly know that unless they had a rolecop themselves and checked me, or they didn't kill me because they thought Cele was more important, or for the sake of WIFOM in hopes town themselves would kill me out of paranoia.

This is all speculation, again, i can't know, what I'm confused about is why does this merit an accusation in the first place? and how that is alignment indicative?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Kyouko

I don't believe this person believe in their push on me.

[Naerys]

Happy new year my fellow scummies :3

[Guillotina]

I don't know what is more outrageous?

Random Nurse tunnel on his own confirmed check (Hu Tao)

or

Hu Tao believing that Naerys and I are scum together.

OR here is the big one.

Hu Tao accusing Random Nurse for not making sense while not making sense themselves.

If that kind of hypocrisy, that kind of lack of care for how that inconsistency makes them look is not town indicative, i don't know what is, that is why I can't let you push Hu Tao, RN.

[Naerys]

Guillotina performing a gambit by ccing their partner is not impossible

I was having doubts about Guillo beceause i thought and i still think, that remaining scum is well placed and it wont be easy to find them. But this had me thinking - Would Guillo CC their partner like this? Bussing yes, i believe Roden was bussed. But doing it this obviously? Certainly something to think about.