Mini Normal 2322: Game Over

[Purplemango]

If we don't have anything from him or anybody saying otherwise in like 30 mins I'll go ahead then, would like to get it out there since this feels like one of those nights where you guys will go nuts and post 10 pages while I'm sleeping

Why didn't you claim?, You said something about 30 mins
Anyway, i claim cult leader

(Haters will say that the role dosen't exist in the game or that i'm vt, they would be wrong )

I sorta lost my grasp on the normal flow of time, I thought I posted that like 10 minutes ago

Anyway surprise surprise, I'm a VT

Are you seriously claiming not VT Purple? I'm approaching the part of the night where I cannot detect tone

Shocking

No, but i want to be orginal

I think you hit that with the way you’re claiming.

So you are VT?

Yea
Most of players gonna be VT, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, that would make sense.

Dragon is up.

[Hu Tao]

I think he went to sleep so we will be waiting awhile. Happy new years everyone!

[Flavor Leaf]

Kyouko’s team they were pushing on Day 1 was Lap, Dragon, and FL.

In a world where Dragon is town, that’s 3 incorrect pushes Kyouko had.

This alone makes Kyouko worth pushing to find out and see what happens and where the pressure was.

And yet, Dragon began defending the Kyouko slot harder, and I would say Dragon by the end of Day 2 was not a scum read potential for Kyouko.

Dragon also played in a way where it ‘looked’ like they were trying to defend Kyouko, but i consistently asked for more reasons other than meta, yet they try to complain about going there.
I had already specifically stated I wouldn’t be convinced by meta cases in that regard.

This is why I think Dragon’s manipulative there, and trying to shade and make it look like Kyouko was a bad push.

We’re in a GOOD spot right now, where we were going to take it as a win getting here and dealing with this in ELO.

Now we get an EXTRA day.

Amazing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, it’s all good. I’m surprised we got through the mass claim that fast at all anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s also the weird panic reactions when I claimed vig.

Like it’s weird for scum to do, but i think they went into a weird zone, and then the trajectory of ‘how do we deal with this?’ came into play, and then they did the weird soft claim.

If they actively had a role that could confirm themselves WITH my vigilante, and their immediate reaction to it is to play it how they did, I don’t think that’s a genuine town play.

[Flavor Leaf]

And now Gamma is confirmed to have not been pushing elsewhere to save Kyouko in that sense.

I don’t see why Gamma plays the way they do if scum on their replace in.

[cw357]

hpe/gamma/geraint that is
all of them i sr so it tracks lol

But I thought I was scum

dont worry u still are
u too dragon

they're just all bad
obv i dont scumread flavor and i townread purple and after reread, I know I kind of sussed on gamma but maybe i tr gamma, tbh i just hate the idea of gamma v kyouku being v/v but maybe they're both just dumb? idk will need to think about it

provisional elim is geraint/gamma/dragon/hu tao although hpe would be my only other consideration
will think more sorry for brevity of post

[cw357]

agree with flavor in that dragon/purple could be a possibility
im guessing there's a doc or a town rb (? is that a thing ?) since flavor is alive
i want a complete massclaim, especially a dragon claim (since he softed pr) before i make more definitive reads

[Flavor Leaf]

my motivation for this game is back

you had motivation for it at all?

Imo, cw has done more this game than HPE on a giving us their thoughts level.

[Hu Tao]

my motivation for this game is back

you had motivation for it at all?

Imo, cw has done more this game than HPE on a giving us their thoughts level.

Agreed

[DragonEater70]

If Dragon is JK, and targeted me, they’re scum gambiting, no killing, by the way. I have a feeling it’s coming, i hope not, but yeah.

Oh no you found me out!

JK isn’t confirmable, though, in that regard, so I’m just being paranoid probably.

That is factually correct, but when I wrote that it was confirmable it was with the knowledge that I managed to outsmart scum and they shot my protection target, so to me it was very obvious that there was some protective. I completely forgot scum could ever NK

I don’t necessarily think it.

I’m probably more likely to shoot DE than Tao, don’t worry.

YESSSS

K if Flavor is shooting me I'm sheeping him on whoever he wants today

This was contrived. DE tried to make it out like I was shooting them, but all I said was I was more likely to shoot them than Hu Tao, but I had already said during the day that I wouldn’t be shooting Dragon based on their claim WIFOM, and I also said that I had chosen who I was going to Vig a long time before end of the day.

Kyouko wagon helped a lot.

This is also correct. I intentionally played this way (played dumb) because I wanted to make sure scum has zero doubt in their mind I was a 1-shot BP and doesn't roleblock me so I can pull off my genius maneuver of saving you (which worked btw).

Also, I think you asked somewhere why would I jail you if we hit Kyouko town which is "beneficial" for us? I played the entirety of Day 2 since you claimed around the plan of jailing you if we hit town. You saying I was conftown if Kyouko flipped scum didn't really help my paranoia of who you'd shoot after she flipped town.

And last thing - yes, my clever night play was good and gave us an extra lim, but that doesn't mean I can't be frustrated we didn't use that extra kill on scum!Gamma or scum!HPE, ESPECIALLY because right now you are leaning toward me being scum and I know limming Gamma yesterday and havong Kyo alive today would have meant a totally different gamestate where I don't have to worry about Flavor wanting to lim the JK that protected him last night.

Anyway, I'm a 2-shot JK and I was on Flavor both nights, I guess I was roleblocked on Night 1 which is part of why I had to do all that 1-shot BP posturing (and also why I did suspect for a slight second you were scum trying to lure out a CC from the vig, since you should have been blocked).

[DragonEater70]

NK as is "no kill"

[DragonEater70]

Kyouko’s team they were pushing on Day 1 was Lap, Dragon, and FL.

In a world where Dragon is town, that’s 3 incorrect pushes Kyouko had.

This alone makes Kyouko worth pushing to find out and see what happens and where the pressure was.

And yet, Dragon began defending the Kyouko slot harder, and I would say Dragon by the end of Day 2 was not a scum read potential for Kyouko.

Dragon also played in a way where it ‘looked’ like they were trying to defend Kyouko, but i consistently asked for more reasons other than meta, yet they try to complain about going there.
I had already specifically stated I wouldn’t be convinced by meta cases in that regard.

This is why I think Dragon’s manipulative there, and trying to shade and make it look like Kyouko was a bad push.

We’re in a GOOD spot right now, where we were going to take it as a win getting here and dealing with this in ELO.

Now we get an EXTRA day.

Amazing.

Also I am sorry I am not very good at towncasing people.

To me saying "x is MILES out of their scum range" (what I said about Kyo) is a pretty solid towncase. I could probably have tried to do (a bit) more but I was kinda depressed that day due to real life things, so yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cool.

Dragon scum claims today.

That’s what I was hoping for.

I tried shooting HPE.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kyouko’s team they were pushing on Day 1 was Lap, Dragon, and FL.

In a world where Dragon is town, that’s 3 incorrect pushes Kyouko had.

This alone makes Kyouko worth pushing to find out and see what happens and where the pressure was.

And yet, Dragon began defending the Kyouko slot harder, and I would say Dragon by the end of Day 2 was not a scum read potential for Kyouko.

Dragon also played in a way where it ‘looked’ like they were trying to defend Kyouko, but i consistently asked for more reasons other than meta, yet they try to complain about going there.
I had already specifically stated I wouldn’t be convinced by meta cases in that regard.

This is why I think Dragon’s manipulative there, and trying to shade and make it look like Kyouko was a bad push.

We’re in a GOOD spot right now, where we were going to take it as a win getting here and dealing with this in ELO.

Now we get an EXTRA day.

Amazing.

Also I am sorry I am not very good at towncasing people.

To me saying "x is MILES out of their scum range" (what I said about Kyo) is a pretty solid towncase. I could probably have tried to do (a bit) more but I was kinda depressed that day due to real life things, so yeah.

I don’t do purely meta half because people don’t use it right and too limited, half on principle.

Dragon spent the first half of this game sheeping and town pushing me to a fault, and then the second I get a legitimate confirmed claim and become confirmed town, they actively start to counter and fight against.

And their doom and gloom outlook of this day phase is absolutely poor, and frankly, there was zero reason to try and let me live after that day phase.

This game needed flips.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not moving my vote today.

JK was also the exact scum role that the scum team take to balance this game, and frankly, I don’t buy a Town JK and a Scum Roleblocker in this game.

Fade scum A day 1

Cop targets scum B Night 1

Vigilante kills scum C night 1.

And then you try to add Jailkeeper into that as well on town?

[Flavor Leaf]

I was trying to die. Me dying would have been great.

I’m in the dreaded IC slot, and I was actively shooting with the knowledge Kyouko was town.

Kyouko, who if you are town, was pushing 3 incorrect reads, and thus isn’t reliable to have vote + had ties to everyone based on how they reacted.

Just a really poor night action.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m overselling it, I think it’s a good night action gambit claim.

It just doesn’t line up with an actual town objective.

But it did give an extra day here, but like a scumDragon gets conf town from it, that doesn’t really matter.

Idk.

I don’t think you can live this game through, personally, even if you end up being town.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also gave us another day to do so, how nice of you

[Gamma Emerald]

scum rb vs cop+vig is just short on town power imo
idk how the math works in the case of scum JK

[DragonEater70]

Cool.

Dragon scum claims today.

That’s what I was hoping for.

I tried shooting HPE.

If I was scum I would've just changed my plan and claimed doc

[DragonEater70]

Flavor this is genuinely your worst town play this year by far. You keep pushing town for bullshit reasons. Yes, I COULD be scum gambitting. But why can't I just be town who did this? There's 0 reason I can't be.

[DragonEater70]

You are saying I should have prevented Kyo's lim and that I fake defended her. There's a freaking limit to how much I can achieve when the conftown, who also happens to be Flavor freaking Leaf, is working against me. You KNOW there's no way to stop the lims you want to haloen from happening, when you really want them to happen.

[DragonEater70]

Happen*