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[DragonEater70]

It's just a guess but basically, you have 2 wagons on town that are equally split, it makes sense to me that there would be scum on both.

[Thomith]

I don't get what's the slip up thing is about?

I was pretty sure Katsuki wasn't claiming Juggernaut for real, because that would be silly, but I also thought their post didn't really look like a joke post (maybe I'm too used to the overdone humor of gen z or something), and I thought maybe they were claiming a different role, so I decided to ask them about it. Then Naerys said you TMI'd, I said I don't think so, but then I actually reread your post and I thought that there was SOME SLIGHT CHANCE that the way you phrased it could indicate TMI, so I voted you. Then I thought your explanation was fine and it wasn't TMI, so I unvoted.

Where's the inconsistency here? I don't see it.

To me it feels like you were giving yourself an out to my wagon, which it felt like you then used to back off once you "slipped up" and stated you also thought it was a joke.
I dont recall you saying it was the way I phrased it (other than me saying "obvious", which dont see as any different to you saying you were "pretty sure" it was a joke) but maybe I missed that.

[DragonEater70]

:shrug:

What do ypu thonk about Kyouko's vote on me? And what do you think about the votes on Naerys?

[Thomith]

I feel like I'll need to see Kyoukos reasoning for the vote after being questioned for it to fully form an opinion, but I could see it just being a reaction to you continuing to vote yourself (I believe the baked vote was done before you explained that you like being Wagoned early?)

It will fully depend on how she responds to the question of the naked vote though.

[Thomith]

leave the poor dude alone

Vote Naerys

I feel like this is NAI, because I could see this being scum defending someone they know as a Townie, but could also see it as a Townie noticing someone getting dogpiled for a (imo) meh reason, and not liking it.

I'd like to hear if you still think Naerys is scummy though CCS.

Thats basically scum confession
VOTE: Katsuki

...I'm pretty sure that was a joke. Scum response.

VOTE: Naerys

I'm inclined to town read this vote, but that could just be because I agree with the reasoning behind it, I do think there is at least one scum in the people that jumped on Katsuki for the Juggernaut claim.

@Katsuki, is your top scumread davesaz currently? And is that based just on him claiming not to have a background with you even though je should have, or is there more to it?

I'm at a point where I'm quite content to sit back and see how things play out. I'm also somewhat rusty and mishandled my posting regarding dave so kinda gave him an easy out of any potential pressure. Rushed my posting and gave him the chance to use the convenient excuse of

"oh I forgot"

. The rest of his posting has been underwhelming and given me no reason to not trust my gut for now.

There is one player I'd be happy to see nom'ed today, but with the current game state there's no realistic chance of me getting support for their nom today so in the meantime I'm just going to chill until flips hopefully go my way to enable me to nail a wagon onto them.

Just wanted to clarify by the first sentence, that has nothing to do davesaz and should've been a different line. Meant to read that I'm content with this game state and how the day is progressing to let my reads continue develop.

Our votes are quite scattered at the moment as well so lets spice things up a bit.

VOTE: NAERYS

This vote is the weirdest on the wagon to me, just because I cant tell just from this if Katsuki thinks Naerys is scum, but I don't think jumping on a wagon early on with little reasoning is inherently scum only behaviour?

[DragonEater70]

I feel like I'll need to see Kyoukos reasoning for the vote after being questioned for it to fully form an opinion, but I could see it just being a reaction to you continuing to vote yourself (I believe the baked vote was done before you explained that you like being Wagoned early?)

It will fully depend on how she responds to the question of the naked vote though.

Okay so assuming it is a reaction to voting myself, what do you think about the vote?

[Black]

Any thoughts on that, Black?

Eh not really. I'm not very good at VCA. Like I think you could be right but I also think scum could be chilling on a vanity wagon or just not voting atm

[Black]

I feel like I'm having a hard time reading people this game. All my reads are kinda stale and I'm not super confident in any of them

[Thomith]

I feel like I'll need to see Kyoukos reasoning for the vote after being questioned for it to fully form an opinion, but I could see it just being a reaction to you continuing to vote yourself (I believe the baked vote was done before you explained that you like being Wagoned early?)

It will fully depend on how she responds to the question of the naked vote though.

Okay so assuming it is a reaction to voting myself, what do you think about the vote?

If the wagon was more serious/it was later in the day, I could see it potentially being opportunistic, like an easy reason to jump on a wagon, but I feel like it wasnt like that, since at that point I think it felt like the wagon wasnt going to lead to your Lim, at least during that push?

Again how I feel about the vote completely, does depend on if Kyouko keeps voting you, and if she does, the reasons she gives for doing so.

[Black]

I think Thomith, Hu, and Gamma are probably the most likely to be town. I like the solving energy out of this group

Naerys and Dragon fall into the tier below them but I kinda want to drop Naerys a bit lower

I don't really know what to think about Dave and Cele. CCS and Kitty could go either way but if Hu is town then I want to trust her read on Kitty. I don't think they are scum together fwiw

Kyouko and katsuki could be scum. I do like how katsuki is holding some things close to her chest though, and she's ignoring some questions in a way that makes me think there's some solving going on there and she doesn't want to give too much info. I think I would be fine keeping her around longer

So lim pool is something like {kyouko, Dave, Cele, kitty, CCS} I guess

[Black]

I want to take a closer look at those 5 players later

[Katsuki]

Bit unfortunate we have NYs but the game must go on. Have 4 days left on the day so ideally we get a proper wagon going so we're not left having to do any deadline noms.

@Mod: can we get a prod on kyouko, and probably gamma soon as well?

[biancospino]

@Mod: can we get a prod on kyouko, and probably gamma soon as well?

Gamma Emerald is still outside of prod range.

Prodding ssbm_Kyouko.

Do note that, being New Year's Eve, I will be a bit lenient and will not consider prod timers to be ticking today.

[Katsuki]

@Mod: can we get a prod on kyouko, and probably gamma soon as well?

Gamma Emerald is still outside of prod range.

Prodding ssbm_Kyouko.

Do note that, being New Year's Eve, I will be a bit lenient and will not consider prod timers to be ticking today.

ya gamma was 5hrs off figured I'd just put it in the same post instead of making another one later.

That being said, would it be possible to get a one day extension on day deadline to account for holiday inactivity then?

[biancospino]

mod announcment

ToDay's deadline will be extended by 24 hours.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I rolled a dice and it told me that there is Dragonwolf in this game
VOTE: DragonEater70

Oh noooo how did you find me out so quickly

VOTE: DragonEater70

This game is boring

I claim mafia

VOTE: DragonEater70

VOTE: Dragon

VOTE: Dragon

Let's go.

Why do you do this

If I told you, you wouldn't believe me

Ok let's hear it anyway

I enjoy being wagoned early

I might be superstitious but I feel it helps me find scum better (especially when said scum is on my wagon)

Also I just hate being nullread by people. I feel a lot better being either scum read or townread.

I kinda vibe with this - I dont enjoy being wagoned early or at all, but I do tend to find the scum on my wagons when they happen.

I think voting yourself is kinda counterintuitive to this though - it's only going to scare people away usually, not build the wagon. Which is why it's sus you did it twice

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Everyone else null

Are you not getting anything out of Katsuki?

Not really? Should I be getting something out of them?

Like it feels they are just talking about past games and self-meta / playstyle

Eh, not particularly. Just wanted to see where your head was at with them

I think Katsuki's claim in RVS was a reaction test, not a joke as a lot of people seem to be saying. It's kinda weird to me that nobody else thought that, but maybe it's an older playstyle thing? I feel like that kind of play used to be pretty common early on, especially in RVS. It seems pretty plainly town-motivated to me, and the fact that Katsuki didn't answer me about it later I think reinforces that it wasn't done because scum!Katsuki was trying a LAMIST approach. I think if it were scum-motivated Kat would have brought attention to that themself (on mobile can't check pronouns in pedit sorry)

[davesaz]

Hey Dave, as a person, do you think you've changed (much or not) in the past 8 years?

I don't know, maybe a little. Nowhere near as much as I'd expect someone under 30 or under 20 to change in the same time.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ve only this once before to memory, so I’m concerned
What data davesaz thinks he can upturn

I feel like I've seen you do this before so maybe I was in the game the one time it happened, cant remember the game though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

convenient excuse of "oh I forgot"

Forgetting is a RL thing. Accusing me of lying about RL is a pretty dangerous thing to do.

Neither of us can prove it, it is what it is, hence why I haven't pushed you on it at all

, only on the way you entered this game which I found off.

I don't think I really consider this often as scum but I definitely consider it when I'm town. Like I'll hold off on a scumread til later if it's for a 'crazy' reason - maybe that's a product of getting mislimmed early in my career for unusual reads

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I really don’t vibe with the Naerys votes
So my current chance of townreading those two is remote

I think kitty could be scum

The conviction in his Naerys read feels unnatural

I really don't see what's towny at all about Naerys except a vague meta read? To the contrary the push Nae made is very unnatural.

Leaving off here

[davesaz]

I think Katsuki's claim in RVS was a reaction test, not a joke as a lot of people seem to be saying.

Extend that thought to some of the reactions to Katsuki. Might any of them also be reaction tests?

[Black]

Everyone else null

Are you not getting anything out of Katsuki?

Not really? Should I be getting something out of them?

Like it feels they are just talking about past games and self-meta / playstyle

Eh, not particularly. Just wanted to see where your head was at with them

I think Katsuki's claim in RVS was a reaction test, not a joke as a lot of people seem to be saying. It's kinda weird to me that nobody else thought that, but maybe it's an older playstyle thing? I feel like that kind of play used to be pretty common early on, especially in RVS. It seems pretty plainly town-motivated to me, and the fact that Katsuki didn't answer me about it later I think reinforces that it wasn't done because scum!Katsuki was trying a LAMIST approach. I think if it were scum-motivated Kat would have brought attention to that themself (on mobile can't check pronouns in pedit sorry)

This feels like a believable read

[Naerys]

My Monday effort:
Thom starts to feel slightly towny

[davesaz]

I think voting yourself is kinda counterintuitive to this though - it's only going to scare people away usually, not build the wagon. Which is why it's sus you did it twice

I really wish the trend of self voting would stop.