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[JacksonVirgo]

Bloop

[Hu Tao]

Hi Jackson~ Take your time

[davesaz]

CSF Scumread Gamma (we know they're both Scum).

We already know Celebloki is Town, and from my standpoint I'm Town.

I'm inclined to believe CSF would at least Scumread one member and Townread another member.

In #536 she marked Hu Tao, Kawaii (dead Town), SSBM, and Elements as Town.

Hu Tao, SSBM, Elements...

Part of me wants to think CSF would put one of each team member in Town, Scum, and Null territory.

Gamma was already in Scum territory for CSF. For Town it could be HT/SSBM/Elements. Null, one of the rest.

CSF questioning Guillotina in #547 could be an attempt to distance.

I can't tell if this comes from a place of needing one of HT/SSBM to be scum, if it comes from having scumreads there and looking for evidence, or if it's a new approach that just happens to match previously posted scumreads. Yeah, I know this doesn't say what I think, because I don't know what to think. I'm giving all the possibilities for the purpose of possible further discussion.

[davesaz]

Oh, in that last post I was going to point out that RN apparently forgot that Elements flipped town.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 4.4

Guillotina

(E-3): Random Nurse, ssbm_Kyouko, Hu Tao,

JacksonVirgo

(E-4): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral,

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-5): Guillotina,

davesaz

(E-5): Enchant,

Hu Tao

(E-6):

Dunnstral

(E-6):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-6):

Enchant

(E-6):

Naerys

(E-6):

Random Nurse

(E-6):

Not Voting

: davesaz, JacksonVirgo, Naerys,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-06 21:48:36).

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[Dunnstral]

Guillotina performing a gambit by ccing their partner is not impossible

I was having doubts about Guillo beceause i thought and i still think, that remaining scum is well placed and it wont be easy to find them. But this had me thinking - Would Guillo CC their partner like this? Bussing yes, i believe Roden was bussed. But doing it this obviously? Certainly something to think about.

I don't know. Leaning towards at least one in the slots that didn't vote roden out at the moment.

[davesaz]

That would be RN, Enchant (Keyleth), Jackson (Timmer) right?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE:
I don't think there's any real danger of him getting voted out before I can fully evaluate on my desktop, but I feel like I should just avoid voting from my phone in a game as long as this.

I know I want Guillo dead because his claim doesn't make sense to me, and I think Enchant makes a good point about him CCing Roden but not Hu Tao, and I feel like I'm constantly having paranoia around this slot, but I really don't know shit about the setup and I need to stop talking myself into knowing what's going on with the setup and focus on the actual play. If I'd done that D1 we might have limmed Gamma (probably not, but a girl can dream)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@mod - can you confirm that any "Neighborizer" (with no other roles/modifiers) in this game would work in the way described on the Mafia wiki under normal guidelines? Specifically, the wiki states "private topic" (as opposed to "private topic(s)" or similar) in the sample role PM.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In Complex mini 2314, scum neighborizer marcistar had one neighborhood but only got to make one action - still looking for other neighborizers in complexes. Based on Alisae's interpretation of the role (e copied the sample PM from the wiki), the neighborizer only got one hood for the whole game (question was asked by JV in pre-game in the Mafia PT here: viewtopic.php?t=91779)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Here is another Normal with a neighborizer from before the simple/complex split - link is to camelCasedSnivy's neighborhood: viewtopic.php?p=13911572#p13911572

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think multiple hoods is a theme game thing but I'll keep looking - if anyone remembers a normal with multiple hoods for a neighborizer from their own experience lmk and save me some time

[ssbm_Kyouko]

which means last 2 scum are dave + one of enchant/bq2

[Hu Tao]

I think you make a good point. It could be Dave and enchant. I don't think it's broccoli

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Looking at this Normal game review, Neighborizer has their thread from daystart on D1 and can leave notes in it, allowing their neighbor target to enter the PT and pass on their notes even if the Neighborizer dies.

I'm assuming BQ2 is the town and enchant the scum, but I'll ask both of you anyways: did Dave leave behind any notes in his thread from before he tried to neighborize you - notes that, upon his flip, could have been used to convey any reads he had kept hidden to himself?

link: viewtopic.php?p=13746344#p13746344

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think it simply is dave and enchant caught messing up a true claim (scum!Simple Neighborizer) - the problem is, Enchant is also a PR (the Universal Backup) and couldn't be added to the hood.

[Naerys]

Enchant is also a PR

i thought Enchant was vanilla.

[JacksonVirgo]

Expect me back on my catch up choo choo train in a few hours, I see Guillo did a silly claim?

[davesaz]

My assumption about the neighborhood mechanics is that it's different hoods to avoid cross confirmation, and I kinda expect the mod to either not answer or say he can't answer.

[Dunnstral]

ssbm-Kyouko is right, I do think a neighborizer is meant to have one neighborhood

[davesaz]

I can only confirm that what's happening matches what my role PM says, which says to me it's what the mod designed.
Samples and standard roles are fine reference material but the role you get from the mod is what actually happens, whether that conforms to wiki or not.

[Dunnstral]

Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will add that player to your neighborhood private topic. This action will be blocked if used on a player who is not vanilla.

Your role pm should look like this. Arguably what you describe as happening would not match what your role pm says.

[davesaz]

If you want to complain about the role not matching the wiki, you'll need to take that up with the mod.
This is

not

the first game I've been in that didn't create the thread until there was a successful target, nor is it the first game that created a different thread for each neighbor.

[Dunnstral]

My problem is that you say it matches what your role pm says when it shouldn't.

[Dunnstral]

Did you have a neighborhood open from the start of the game, or is it only created when you target somebody?