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Post Post #3650 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:37 am

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In post 3646, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3642, davesaz wrote: Being town I know any push on me is wrong. Pushing solely on "bussers" and completely ignoring the CWs is indicative of having an agenda to exclude the people voting the CW from suspicion.
ok but why can't a town player genuinely believe that the entire scum team was bussing and not counterwagoning?
Statistically it's very unlikely. I think a scum team is most likely to split their attention to avoid the mass association. I can't rule it out other than to say don't look at me.
why is that indicative of an agenda'd scum player?
OK maybe I'm biased because I'm the target. It should be some on and some off. What's triggering me is the general lack of anyone trying to pick up the CW idea or even appear to think about it. But why Fire in particular is that I'd expect him to engage the alternative theory, not blow it off.
for example I know I am town and I think it's more likely mafia were bussing titus than counterwagoning to save her because titus had largely given up and didn't even bother to play.
Like I said above, some on and some off is the most likely case. In this situation I'm most suspicious of those who stayed on Titus but didn't say much, or rejoined very late under the guise of getting a lim before deadline but didn't call out RL as the reason they left. Voting somewhere else and coming back is also more suspicious than unvoting and coming back, since scum have motivation to hope another wagon picks up while town who thought Titus was scum all along have nothing else better to do with their vote. (other than attempting behavior modification ahem)
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Post Post #3651 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:40 am

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Before you ask, no I haven't done that work myself. I'm my family's only driver, holidays, putting together
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Post Post #3652 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:52 am

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In post 1606, Ausuka wrote:
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Naerys, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Bellaphant, usesPython
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NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip!
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DragonEater70, RCEnigma
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With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip!
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Bellaphant (1)
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Firebringer (1)
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Bellaphant, Doctor Drew
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It's probably because of what Dave said about people's votes moving on and off but I'm surprised by how gamma's vote moved around day one.
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Post Post #3653 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:53 am

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Furtive's vote sitting on me for 1000 posts is sure useful

I tr the first yessiree wagon way more than I do the first Titus one!

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Post Post #3654 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:55 am

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In post 3648, davesaz wrote: Clarification/addition to 3644, I think Titus would plan both the conversation and the votes, and plan a time to be here together to make it look like it just happened live.
We've seen "unable to play due to irl" titus before, would be genuinely surprised if titus had more than a one liner in the scum PT this game
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Post Post #3655 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:58 am

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I haven't updated with any votes since the last time I posted a list like this. 2746 is end of d1. Excel is pretty powerful if enough time to load the data falls in your lap.
Spoiler: gamma votes

120 gamma furtive 1
143 gamma python 1
184 gamma yes 11
588 gamma titus 153
646 gamma unvote 21
1512 gamma yes 3
1597 gamma titus 4
1603 gamma unvote 6
1778 gamma hutao 3
1905 gamma unvote 37
1999 gamma titus 33
2086 gamma hutao 6
2211 gamma titus 14
2529 gamma unvote 6
2559 gamma naerys 30
2634 gamma dragon 7
2746 reset yeet 69
2948 gamma rce 29

Yup, that's a lot of votes. Might even be worth poking into how well supported they are, or not.
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Post Post #3656 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:01 am

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In post 3654, usesPython wrote:
In post 3648, davesaz wrote: Clarification/addition to 3644, I think Titus would plan both the conversation and the votes, and plan a time to be here together to make it look like it just happened live.
We've seen "unable to play due to irl" titus before, would be genuinely surprised if titus had more than a one liner in the scum PT this game
though hmm this is assuming that titus was maybe busier than she actually was
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Post Post #3657 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:09 am

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In post 3656, usesPython wrote:
In post 3654, usesPython wrote:
In post 3648, davesaz wrote: Clarification/addition to 3644, I think Titus would plan both the conversation and the votes, and plan a time to be here together to make it look like it just happened live.
We've seen "unable to play due to irl" titus before, would be genuinely surprised if titus had more than a one liner in the scum PT this game
though hmm this is assuming that titus was maybe busier than she actually was
I'm unwilling to cast doubt on the IRL periods themselves. A critical part of the social contract that I abide by is that we don't lie about it and don't accuse others of lying.

My thought was along the lines of she's busy for an extended period, comes back, sees that her slot is pretty lost, and plans a coordinated burst of activity that doesn't pan out.
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Post Post #3658 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:18 am

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Also, to Firebringer: If you're town then it sucks to be suspected this way, but look at this from the bright side. You're one of maybe half a dozen or so that I'd compliment by thinking they might deepwolf this hard. I have to try early and regret it if I'm wrong because it's higher chance of town winning than letting it slide and hoping you aren't the one.
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Post Post #3659 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 11:37 am

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Dave, I think realistically a FB wagon isn't getting through today. I've liked some of your other votes. If I'm alive tomorrow, I promise to take scum!FB into consideration. I just don't think it's the best use of time today.
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Post Post #3660 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:14 pm

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In post 3655, davesaz wrote: I haven't updated with any votes since the last time I posted a list like this. 2746 is end of d1. Excel is pretty powerful if enough time to load the data falls in your lap.
Spoiler: gamma votes

120 gamma furtive 1
143 gamma python 1
184 gamma yes 11
588 gamma titus 153
646 gamma unvote 21
1512 gamma yes 3
1597 gamma titus 4
1603 gamma unvote 6
1778 gamma hutao 3
1905 gamma unvote 37
1999 gamma titus 33
2086 gamma hutao 6
2211 gamma titus 14
2529 gamma unvote 6
2559 gamma naerys 30
2634 gamma dragon 7
2746 reset yeet 69
2948 gamma rce 29

Yup, that's a lot of votes. Might even be worth poking into how well supported they are, or not.
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Post Post #3661 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:16 pm

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In post 3658, davesaz wrote: Also, to Firebringer: If you're town then it sucks to be suspected this way, but look at this from the bright side. You're one of maybe half a dozen or so that I'd compliment by thinking they might deepwolf this hard. I have to try early and regret it if I'm wrong because it's higher chance of town winning than letting it slide and hoping you aren't the one.
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Post Post #3662 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:21 pm

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I remember Titus having a problem with my voting pattern in this game, but I was town
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Post Post #3663 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:13 pm

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In post 3650, davesaz wrote:
In post 3646, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3642, davesaz wrote: Being town I know any push on me is wrong. Pushing solely on "bussers" and completely ignoring the CWs is indicative of having an agenda to exclude the people voting the CW from suspicion.
ok but why can't a town player genuinely believe that the entire scum team was bussing and not counterwagoning?
Statistically it's very unlikely. I think a scum team is most likely to split their attention to avoid the mass association. I can't rule it out other than to say don't look at me.
why is that indicative of an agenda'd scum player?
OK maybe I'm biased because I'm the target. It should be some on and some off. What's triggering me is the general lack of anyone trying to pick up the CW idea or even appear to think about it. But why Fire in particular is that I'd expect him to engage the alternative theory, not blow it off.
for example I know I am town and I think it's more likely mafia were bussing titus than counterwagoning to save her because titus had largely given up and didn't even bother to play.
Like I said above, some on and some off is the most likely case. In this situation I'm most suspicious of those who stayed on Titus but didn't say much, or rejoined very late under the guise of getting a lim before deadline but didn't call out RL as the reason they left. Voting somewhere else and coming back is also more suspicious than unvoting and coming back, since scum have motivation to hope another wagon picks up while town who thought Titus was scum all along have nothing else better to do with their vote. (other than attempting behavior modification ahem)
As far as not putting emphasis on the counterwagon. You’re either pushing firebringer as the scum on the DE wagon trying to save Titus, or shooting in the dark with the rest in that group. But you can do that on or off the wagon. So it isn’t as appealing as just forming scumreads on their own merits.
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Post Post #3664 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 2:21 pm

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In post 3663, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 3650, davesaz wrote:
In post 3646, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3642, davesaz wrote: Being town I know any push on me is wrong. Pushing solely on "bussers" and completely ignoring the CWs is indicative of having an agenda to exclude the people voting the CW from suspicion.
ok but why can't a town player genuinely believe that the entire scum team was bussing and not counterwagoning?
Statistically it's very unlikely. I think a scum team is most likely to split their attention to avoid the mass association. I can't rule it out other than to say don't look at me.
why is that indicative of an agenda'd scum player?
OK maybe I'm biased because I'm the target. It should be some on and some off. What's triggering me is the general lack of anyone trying to pick up the CW idea or even appear to think about it. But why Fire in particular is that I'd expect him to engage the alternative theory, not blow it off.
for example I know I am town and I think it's more likely mafia were bussing titus than counterwagoning to save her because titus had largely given up and didn't even bother to play.
Like I said above, some on and some off is the most likely case. In this situation I'm most suspicious of those who stayed on Titus but didn't say much, or rejoined very late under the guise of getting a lim before deadline but didn't call out RL as the reason they left. Voting somewhere else and coming back is also more suspicious than unvoting and coming back, since scum have motivation to hope another wagon picks up while town who thought Titus was scum all along have nothing else better to do with their vote. (other than attempting behavior modification ahem)
As far as not putting emphasis on the counterwagon. You’re either pushing firebringer as the scum on the DE wagon trying to save Titus, or shooting in the dark with the rest in that group. But you can do that on or off the wagon. So it isn’t as appealing as just forming scumreads on their own merits.
I'm not following what you're trying to say here. What's the either / or thing about, and what does "doing it on or off the wagon" mean?
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Post Post #3665 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:44 pm

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hmmm i am having paranoia on Gamma and python

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Post Post #3666 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:03 pm

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In post 3662, Gamma Emerald wrote: viewtopic.php?t=91890
I remember Titus having a problem with my voting pattern in this game, but I was town
i dont get how this is any useful in figuring out ur alignment this game without any provided context

"you are wrong to push me for this thing im doing -> I did the same thing in that other game and I was town"
i dont like this line of thinking at all
the circumstances between games are completely different, and how people viewed ur behavior in other games is irrelevant to how you could be sorted here
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Post Post #3667 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:15 pm

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In post 2181, Alisae wrote:
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Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70
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Titus, Naerys, usesPython, Gamma Emerald
yessiree (1)
Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)
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davesaz (1)
RCEnigma
Firebringer (1)
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NOT VOTING:
davesaz, Doctor Drew, Bellaphant
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip!
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Post Post #3668 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:25 pm

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can't be right. im not in any of those lists
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Post Post #3669 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:28 pm

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darn, back to the drawing board for me
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Post Post #3670 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:29 pm

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idk that analysis makes me feel its more likely that Hua Tao could have been bussing and Titus wanted to make it look like a T/S
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Post Post #3671 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:30 pm

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In post 3667, yessiree wrote: Titus (6) Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70
This being all town just seems crazy to me
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Post Post #3672 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:37 pm

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In post 3671, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3667, yessiree wrote: Titus (6) Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70
This being all town just seems crazy to me
Titus's energy towards Hu Tao towards end of day didn't read like S-S, Hu Tao abrasiveness towards being suspected felt townie
Meuh is conftown
Firebringer is Firebringer
yessiree is yessiree
Aristeia feels like she has no agenda and in just-wanna-be-carried mode
DE is cop

I guess there is a world where you and aristeia are both scum but i dont see that happening, not yet
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Post Post #3673 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:43 pm

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multiple people have said that me and ari can't be a team together. I feel insulted. Me and Ari would make an allstar team and ur insulting us by not considering us.
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Post Post #3674 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:53 pm

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Scum can want to be carried, and it's a great place for them if they get away with it.
The 4-wagon (or more) that built on Python from 2254 to 2295 contained Hu Tao, Enchant, Titus, RCE in that order.
So that's mostly a different set than was on Titus at 2181.

Drew voted Titus at , unvoted , and didn't vote again for the rest of the day. That's a good match for the pattern of voting to show in iso and then being off at eod. I went back and added post tags to make those two easier to reference after I hit submit.
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