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Votecount 1-XVIII

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (4)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, DragonEater70, davesaz

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (3):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky, Black

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (1):

JacksonVirgo

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

[Black]

I like Thomith's willingness to provide reads already. I think it would be easy for scum to just take the easy way out and say they don't have any but instead Thomith has already townread me and slightly scumread Hu

I also like 59 and I can relate to the whole playing different based on vibes thing

I just vibe with his entrance so far

Do you actually think that posting reads is townie? Surely not

It was moreso the manner in which the reads came. Thomith was asked about specific reads and he didn't shy away from the questions. Like Hu straight up asked him if he thinks she's scummy and he was like "yeah you could be scum." I just think scum probably want to avoid butting heads like that early. And I think it would be a lot easier for scum to toe the line instead of taking solid stances like he did when he townread me

If I had to guess I would say Dragon/Thomith is TvT

And if one was wolf you'd be saying Dragon correct?

Hmmm. Probably yeah. I could see Thomith!scum though

[davesaz]

I think Naerys wanting to flip a null read over her scumreads indicates that she doesn't really care who is faded. The argument that a Snivy flip gives us a lot of info doesn't check out either considering he's one of the least active slots in the game

Basically Naerys my confusion is

You are voting Katsuki, saying you are scumreading Gamma/dave, but you want Snivy limmed.

Can you walk me through this

I parked my vote on Katsuki bcz of that ugly picture.
Gamme/dave was a gut feeling i had at a certain point
i wanted Snivy limmed bcz it would give decent info
now i think its better to lim me, only claim scum will get from me is "vanilla" tho

Naerys wtf are you doing

If you are scum you should fight

If you are town you should fight even harder

I have a plan.

Two things come to mind here.
If Naerys is town vengeful hoping to bait scum, I think her reads are more likely to lose us another town. It's hard to tell given my reads aren't all that strong, but just a bad feeling here.
It's also possible she's scum with cCS and with a less valuable role.

[davesaz]

Actually I read something wrong so the scum with cCS thing is just me being d'oh. Unless it's some very weird distancing thing.

[Black]

(Black) feels like a pretty weak reason to town-read Thom, it feels like it's justifying something for the sake of justifying it. Town-reading somebody for making reads is just simply wrong

Reducing my read to this is simply wrong

Black voting Naerys after she stated that black didn't look great, is not a great look to me

Scum tend to shade people for bad reasons and I definitely got that vibe from Naerys's comment. I don't think it makes sense for this to look bad to you

[Black]

It's also possible she's scum with cCS and with a less valuable role

I had this thought as well

[Black]

As it stands now, Thom/Black look the worst and Hu Tao looks the best

Why do I look the best?

Because you're undeniably yourself, you read natural. You read like you're saying what comes in your head right as it comes in, without stopping to think about how you would look. Things like this, just pure.

Maybe you're just bad at reading me but I'm not sure how you could think this about Hu and then say that I look the worst? I've been doing nothing but saying what comes to my mind all game

[Gamma Emerald]

Its just a feeling that something fishy is going on here

You know how Gamma ATEs when people take sideswipes?
Now think again about how I'm posting.

I'd like if you could explain in detail what you mean
I'm not happy about what you're doing if it's what I managed to glean

[JacksonVirgo]

It was moreso the manner in which the reads came. Thomith was asked about specific reads and he didn't shy away from the questions. Like Hu straight up asked him if he thinks she's scummy and he was like "yeah you could be scum." I just think scum probably want to avoid butting heads like that early. And I think it would be a lot easier for scum to toe the line instead of taking solid stances like he did when he townread me

I hear you, I did think it was incredibly unlikely to be how I understood it. I think I do disagree that scum would avoid taking solid stances.

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum tend to shade people for bad reasons and I definitely got that vibe from Naerys's comment. I don't think it makes sense for this to look bad to you

The bad look is the speed at which you switched on her, surface level looks pretty awful and I was meaning to look back over that interaction when I had fresh eyes as that point in the game my eyes skimmed too much

[Gamma Emerald]

JacksonVirgo, I would like to solicit
whether your catch-up is complete, on hiatus, or quit

[davesaz]

Town-reading somebody for making reads is just simply wrong.

I have no skin in how you read Black, but I do have some comments on this.
I tend to think that early and unsupported (in the form of reasons given) town reads are scummy. In that respect, I agree that merely having unsupported reads isn't good justification for a TR. If the reads in question are supported in some fashion (explanation, conversation that leads to the read, etc) then it's quite different for me. It won't be a strong indicator of town, but it will be at least town points.

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe you're just bad at reading me but I'm not sure how you could think this about Hu and then say that I look the worst? I've been doing nothing but saying what comes to my mind all game

What about you would mean I should be obligated to have the same viewpoint on? You are different people, you have taken to this game in different ways. The reason I thought you to be the lowest just above Thom was because I didn't understand how you came to the conclusions you had. I usually can follow the logic even for people I think are wolfy and are flat out wrong but I just straight up did not see the base of the reads you made

[Black]

Scum tend to shade people for bad reasons and I definitely got that vibe from Naerys's comment. I don't think it makes sense for this to look bad to you

The bad look is the speed at which you switched on her, surface level looks pretty awful and I was meaning to look back over that interaction when I had fresh eyes as that point in the game my eyes skimmed too much

I've been feeling worse and worse about Naerys as the game has progressed and you can track that in my ISO. The random shade on me and the strange reads finally convinced me to vote there

[JacksonVirgo]

I just realised I didnt' respond to the point you were making directly, I don't get the feeling you've been playing just off the tip of your tongue the same as I am getting from Hu Tao. If you are, I don't see it the same way and thus I don't read it the same way.

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo, I would like to solicit
whether your catch-up is complete, on hiatus, or quit

I probably should go back over the last 10 pages as I skimmed but I probably won't, I feel it's probably better use of my time to just carry on from what it is now

[JacksonVirgo]

I've been feeling worse and worse about Naerys as the game has progressed and you can track that in my ISO. The random shade on me and the strange reads finally convinced me to vote there

I can understand this, humouring your read there's a few posts that have caught me a little off guard about Naerys but I disregarded purely because it feels like a personality thing and I tend to always scum-read Naerys in like every single game without fail.

[Black]

Maybe you're just bad at reading me but I'm not sure how you could think this about Hu and then say that I look the worst? I've been doing nothing but saying what comes to my mind all game

What about you would mean I should be obligated to have the same viewpoint on? You are different people, you have taken to this game in different ways. The reason I thought you to be the lowest just above Thom was because I didn't understand how you came to the conclusions you had. I usually can follow the logic even for people I think are wolfy and are flat out wrong but I just straight up did not see the base of the reads you made

What conclusions did you have a had time understanding? And why would you not ask me about them instead of just being like "logic I don't understand = wolf"?

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe you're just bad at reading me but I'm not sure how you could think this about Hu and then say that I look the worst? I've been doing nothing but saying what comes to my mind all game

What about you would mean I should be obligated to have the same viewpoint on? You are different people, you have taken to this game in different ways. The reason I thought you to be the lowest just above Thom was because I didn't understand how you came to the conclusions you had. I usually can follow the logic even for people I think are wolfy and are flat out wrong but I just straight up did not see the base of the reads you made

What conclusions did you have a had time understanding? And why would you not ask me about them instead of just being like "logic I don't understand = wolf"?

I did ask you about the main one because I had a deep feeling I had to be wrong because like it was actually crazy if it was how I understood it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Town-reading somebody for making reads is just simply wrong.

I have no skin in how you read Black, but I do have some comments on this.
I tend to think that early and unsupported (in the form of reasons given) town reads are scummy. In that respect, I agree that merely having unsupported reads isn't good justification for a TR. If the reads in question are supported in some fashion (explanation, conversation that leads to the read, etc) then it's quite different for me. It won't be a strong indicator of town, but it will be at least town points.

Not sure if it's because I'm tired or what but I don't really understand what you're saying

[KittyTacky]

ughhhhh I have really floundered, lemme catch up from page 18.

[Black]

I have a tinfoil theory but I want to let it marinate for a bit

[KittyTacky]

It's interesting that we have 3 wagons at 3 votes each. I don't think fading any of the 3 would be super likely to hit scum but if I had to compromise on one then it would probably be Naerys

I'm more inclined to believe that scum are just hanging out and they're perfectly fine with the game state. CCS fits the bill here

I still think Naerys is scummy.

[KittyTacky]

Snivy... yeah I mostly agree with the push I think.

[JacksonVirgo]

Thinking inwards though I actually believe the only read that I actively did not understand at all was the read about Thom's posting reads as townie. The rest I just disagreed with outside maybe that post saying the game was already out of RVS which I felt was unsubstantiated and I definitely felt the game was very much in that state.