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[JacksonVirgo]

Yep. My reads are generally super fluid on D1. Plus I have a theory and I think wagoning Thom will help me decide if I could be right or not. That's all I really want to say about it atm

I mean there's fluid and then there's reads where you don't show progression on, but I'm going to out of respect assume that theory holds more weight than the lack of apparent progression and see what you do with it, I will be holding you to explaining what it is even if it falls through though.

[Black]

I mean there's fluid and then there's reads where you don't show progression on

Not every read has to have a visible progression. Just know that I don't commit to reads unless I'm confident in them, and I'm rarely confident in my reads early on in games. Even when I start to feel confident someone will say something or something will happen to make me lose that confidence

I get better as the game goes on but even later you'll see me second guessing myself constantly

[Alianna]

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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (4)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, DragonEater70, davesaz

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

Thomith (2):

JacksonVirgo, Black

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean there's fluid and then there's reads where you don't show progression on

Not every read has to have a visible progression.

For sure, I agree with you completely but at the same time lacking progression, or bouncing quickly from a read still reads bad. Especially given the stance you've made on them throughout, but I don't want to dwell on this with the hanging "I have a theory", I will wait for that

[JacksonVirgo]

I get better as the game goes on but even later you'll see me second guessing myself constantly

I know very well you're good at the game, I can't wait to see you pop off

[JacksonVirgo]

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Votecount 1-XIX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (4)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, DragonEater70, davesaz

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

Thomith (2):

JacksonVirgo, Black

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

VOTE: Alianna

That colour is awful

[Katsuki]

Yep. My reads are generally super fluid on D1. Plus I have a theory and I think wagoning Thom will help me decide if I could be right or not. That's all I really want to say about it atm

I mean there's fluid and then there's reads where you don't show progression on, but I'm going to out of respect assume that theory holds more weight than the lack of apparent progression and see what you do with it, I will be holding you to explaining what it is even if it falls through though.

I'm glad someone is catching on to that. The issue isn't exactly the lack of progression (this is more the result of effect rather than cause), it's the intent behind her posts. She's been quite deliberate in her actions and motivations in progressing her wincon if my read on her is correct.

[Alianna]

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Votecount 1-XIX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (4)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, DragonEater70, davesaz

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

Thomith (2):

JacksonVirgo, Black

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

VOTE: Alianna

That colour is awful

Unreadable or just awful? I can change it if it's the former.

[JacksonVirgo]

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Votecount 1-XIX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (4)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, DragonEater70, davesaz

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

Thomith (2):

JacksonVirgo, Black

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

VOTE: Alianna

That colour is awful

Unreadable or just awful? I can change it if it's the former.

Awful >:C

VOTE: Thom

[Black]

For sure, I agree with you completely but at the same time lacking progression, or bouncing quickly from a read still reads bad

Sure, on a surface level, but even then I think the implication that townies don't bounce around or sometimes don't show their progression is wild

I also think you need to look at the context. Think deeper. Unless you think I'm scum with Snivy then me swapping my vote to Naerys shouldn't read bad to you. I would just help push the Snivy wagon through there. Same with going from Naerys to Thomith. What is the benefit of doing this if I'm scum?

[Black]

Yep. My reads are generally super fluid on D1. Plus I have a theory and I think wagoning Thom will help me decide if I could be right or not. That's all I really want to say about it atm

I mean there's fluid and then there's reads where you don't show progression on, but I'm going to out of respect assume that theory holds more weight than the lack of apparent progression and see what you do with it, I will be holding you to explaining what it is even if it falls through though.

I'm glad someone is catching on to that. The issue isn't exactly the lack of progression (this is more the result of effect rather than cause), it's the intent behind her posts. She's been quite deliberate in her actions and motivations in progressing her wincon if my read on her is correct.

Can you go into this further? What do you think the intent behind my posts have been and how have I been progressing my wincon if I'm scum?

[Katsuki]

I've been waffling on the original post I had and have decided to withhold it for now.

Where I am right now, I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Normally I'd be perfectly fine with D1 nomming CCS slot contribution, but I really don't like how that wagon came about. We went from stalled wagons 3 votes apiece on Dragon, Naerys and Thomith, with Thomith being the counterwagon with dragon and naerys voting for him, to suddenly being able to construct a wagon on the lurker. Nothing in his posting had changed, he could've been voted or examined at any time during the day, but no one thought to mention him at all until it came to WAGON HO!

Currently where I'm sitting looks roughly like this.

CONFTOWN:

ME

STRONGTOWN:

KYOUKO
KITTY

TOWN:

HUTAO
GE

LIKELY TOWN

THOMITH (conf town if Dragon+Naerys both flip scum)

That leaves davesaz, CCS, Jackson, Black, dragon and Naerys.

dave I'm firmly null on atm.
CCS is null leaning town
JACKSON I'm tempted to toss him into the town pile.

That conveniently leaves dragon, black and naerys. Is the game really this easy? Maybe. I'm pretty confident that there's at least two scum in that pool (wouldn't shock me if I nailed all 3, but would surprise me a bit playing with a new group of players). I quite like what Black has been doing from a scum perspective, and in my eyes it makes the most sense that it stems from Dragon being scum. Plus, she's no longer a fluffy adorable Umbreon. If Dragon flips scum, she is buddy #1 and needs to be TURBONOMMED accordingly.

So TL;DR, at the moment I think the game is fairly straight forward, with Dragon likely to be scum and his buddies being pretty obvious post-flip. Therefore I'm happiest with a Dragon nom today.

[Black]

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Votecount 1-XIX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (4)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, DragonEater70, davesaz

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

Thomith (2):

JacksonVirgo, Black

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

VOTE: Alianna

That colour is awful

Unreadable or just awful? I can change it if it's the former.

I think the color looks awesome but not everyone is on dark mode

[JacksonVirgo]

For sure, I agree with you completely but at the same time lacking progression, or bouncing quickly from a read still reads bad

Sure, on a surface level, but even then I think the implication that townies don't bounce around or sometimes don't show their progression is wild

I also think you need to look at the context. Think deeper. Unless you think I'm scum with Snivy then me swapping my vote to Naerys shouldn't read bad to you. I would just help push the Snivy wagon through there. Same with going from Naerys to Thomith. What is the benefit of doing this if I'm scum?

Diminishing what I say as surface level is wild lol but I'll let it slide. I already said I wanted to look back on the context of Naerys, I said this, and I did look up the context of Thom and that's why I pointed it out to begin with. Also just because things don't make sense from the pure "surface level" (hehe) scum vs town game loop doesn't mean that you wouldn't have some form of scum motivation for doing what you're doing. I don't have the information that the scum have, so I don't make assumptions based on how little or how much info the scum has.

[Black]

I get better as the game goes on but even later you'll see me second guessing myself constantly

I know very well you're good at the game, I can't wait to see you pop off

[JacksonVirgo]

Pointing it out and asking for context is not looking at a surface level, it's pointing it out and asking for context. I am by no means making any snap judgements based on what I call out which could be construed as thinking on the surface level.

[JacksonVirgo]

Pointing it out and asking for context is not looking at a surface level, it's pointing it out and asking for context. I am by no means making any snap judgements based on what I call out which could be construed as thinking on the surface level.

But even with that said, there's a dangling and mysterious tinfoil theory above this conversation so I don't feel this is doing a single thing to talk about

[Katsuki]

Can you go into this further? What do you think the intent behind my posts have been and how have I been progressing my wincon if I'm scum?

If I don't at some point this game, note to remind me to post-game if I'm right and you're still curious.

[JacksonVirgo]

That conveniently leaves dragon, black and naerys. Is the game really this easy?

Lol I would say that generally this means ur wrong but I recently won a mafia tournies finals when I made this exact statement D1

[JacksonVirgo]

All the power to ya. I can see Dragon/Black for sure. Naerys I get too but I wanna make sure I'm not falling into my usual pitfalls with them before I make any stance

[Katsuki]

That conveniently leaves dragon, black and naerys. Is the game really this easy?

Lol I would say that generally this means ur wrong but I recently won a mafia tournies finals when I made this exact statement D1

I've certainly had many games where I cracked games wide open D1 before with perfect reads so it'd be nothing new, just something that I would find to be quite unexpected considering that I'm playing with a group of unfamiliar players and rust.

[Katsuki]

(also sry pronouns jackson, should've been them and not him)

[JacksonVirgo]

I've certainly had many games where I cracked games wide open D1 before with perfect reads so it'd be nothing new, just something that I would find to be quite unexpected considering that I'm playing with a group of unfamiliar players and rust.

It's always fun to try and hope for, for sure. If you did get it 3 for 3 I will be blown away.

[JacksonVirgo]

(also sry pronouns jackson, should've been them and not him)

Ur good, the name trips a lot up

[JacksonVirgo]

Where I am right now, I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Purely to get under your brain wrinkles, assuming this is the case, do you feel Naerys/Black are acting in a way that would back the idea of your solve up?