Mini 2321: Classic Commercials (Postgame)

[Hu Tao]

I think I trust Hu Tao

I think I trust Hu Tao

Why?

I'm trying on something new

[Dunnstral]

Whatever I'll just claim.

I'm Town Jailkeeper.

This was why I kept saying I believed Celebloki when he said he was roleblocked Night 1, because he was my night 1 target. I also said that I thought Bingles (at least I think it was Bingle) theory about a Jailkeeper made sense, because I knew he was right, because I was a Jailkeeper.
I wasnt confident I'd be able to protect correctly Night 1, so I instead tried to block the kill by targeting someone I suspected. I targeted off wagon, for the WIFOM reason that scum may think someone on the wagon might be targeted by a town roleblock, so sent someone off wagon to do the kill instead.

I Jailkept Flavor Night 2, because I did believe that the Rolecop/Neap were on opposing factions, so assumed both claims would live through the night, so instead Jailkept a Vanilla claim I thought was likely to be attacked.

Tl;dr:
I'm claiming Jailkeeper
Night 1 Target was Celebloki
Night 2 Target was FL

That was me. Maybe flip a coin to decide if you are jailkeeping Celebloki tonight.

Why Celeb specifically?

OK I think Celebloki has a possibility of being mafia with the role claims. I think Roden's claim if investigated by the town rolecop could be assumed to be town, given town has no vigilante. Celebloki would likely be a mafia power role who would know when their action fails. It's hard to say because 3-4 power roles seems correct and the roles we have still seems on the weak side if Celebloki is mafia. Maybe the rolecop is stronger than we thing depending on mafia roles.

I am alright with looking elsewhere today though, just something I am keeping in mind. I doubt the jailkeeper claim is a fake. Roden if mafia would be claiming to keep Celebloki in the suspect pool because with only 3 power roles claimed I would be ready to call Celebloki town. I think the role cop dying makes Celebloki look worse.

Yeah I was thinking similarly. If no other PR claimed i was probably going to locktown celeb, because JK and RC only seems weak for town.

I'm honestly still kind of struggling to see RC/Neap being together, but dont think I wanna aim there today.

Celeb because I was thinking they were town at the time and if it is ambigious if you will target them there is a chance they live and get their action off. Not sure anymore, it's not too bad if they are killed given our distrust

[Thomith]

I think I'd be most okay with a lim between Bingle/Elements today? At least right now.

There's a small part of me that wants Celeb to flip to confirm if we can 100% trust FL or not, but dont think that's a great use of a lim today.

I'll probably go with either Dunns or FLs suggestion for night actions, but dont think I'll reveal publicly which one I go with?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I'd be most okay with a lim between Bingle/Elements today? At least right now.

There's a small part of me that wants Celeb to flip to confirm if we can 100% trust FL or not, but dont think that's a great use of a lim today.

I'll probably go with either Dunns or FLs suggestion for night actions, but dont think I'll reveal publicly which one I go with?

I think Celeb needs to flipped eventually too. There's still the possibility they were scum who chose to clear me to possibly get protected further.

[Gamma Emerald]

Elements is being replaced.

[Roden]

Cursed slot

[Flavor Leaf]

i could fade elements slot.

i think it's scum on both RCE and Elements individually.

[Bingle]

I have none of the spoons required to post here tonight. Sorry, it's been a long week and I've done far too much paperwork today to be able to process mafia.

[Celebloki]

I’ve yet to play a game with a very active RCE. My only other game with him he was similarly aloof and lurky. Turned out to be scum. It’s not much to go on, but I could be behind a lim on his slot. Elements didn’t really take it anywhere.

[Thomith]

VOTE: Elements

I think I prefer here right now, but would probably go Bingle as well.

We should wait until the replacement before fully committing obviously.

[Naerys]

Yup, lets wait for replacement

[Flavor Leaf]

or we just fade elements so we and skip the need for one. it's a doom slot thats gonna get pushed anyways

[Naerys]

Well, true. But i like to give people chance to defend themselves so i think i prefer waiting for the replacement.

[Dunnstral]

Well nothing to really defend. The slot has not made a lot of waves. What I remember is they voted gob and was sheeping FL on day 1, and on day 2 came up with the triangle theory of AnimatedWiz, Naerys, and myself.

[Thomith]

@Mod: V/LA this weekend

I should be able to still be checking and keeping up with things, but likely won't be super active.

[Hu Tao]

I agree on waiting for replacement

[Bingle]

I am actually leaning the exact same way for Thomith to 33/33/33 Jailing Celebloki/Me/Jail for the kill stop.

I would say 50/50 with Celeb/Me, but think the WIFOM of getting blocked is fine too

Thomith should just straight up target for the scum shooting. There's no chance you die over conftown JK.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am actually leaning the exact same way for Thomith to 33/33/33 Jailing Celebloki/Me/Jail for the kill stop.

I would say 50/50 with Celeb/Me, but think the WIFOM of getting blocked is fine too

Thomith should just straight up target for the scum shooting. There's no chance you die over conftown JK.

they should take this, but absolutely should go with the coin flip, even if it ends up being a 3 sided flip.

i dont think it should EVER be decided on what Thomith goes for, even if just for the WIFOM of it all.

[Bingle]

Pleasantly surprised Dunn didn’t die after telegraphing so hard, fwiw.

Bingle+ dunn could be buddies mhmm

What exactly about me suspecting Dunn was a JK makes me and Dunn likely partners?

[Flavor Leaf]

the thing is, for me, idc if the replacement is the most townie to ever town on replace-in, im still probably going to wanna fade there based on my read on the other 2 in the slot, and my willingness to not push Bingle here yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe there are multiple reasons to pair Dunn/Bingle up, but I'll let Naerys answer, if that's even the reason Naerys was doing it.

I will say, that has nothing to do for the pairing for me.

I do lean Dunn town, though.

[Bingle]

I am actually leaning the exact same way for Thomith to 33/33/33 Jailing Celebloki/Me/Jail for the kill stop.

I would say 50/50 with Celeb/Me, but think the WIFOM of getting blocked is fine too

Thomith should just straight up target for the scum shooting. There's no chance you die over conftown JK.

they should take this, but absolutely should go with the coin flip, even if it ends up being a 3 sided flip.

i dont think it should EVER be decided on what Thomith goes for, even if just for the WIFOM of it all.

If thomith hits the scum who is making the kill, thomith stops the kill. If thomith targets you or celeb it should be because he thinks you are the one who is going to be killing, because 99% of the time here the kill is thomith. Any scumteam killing anyone else is being stupid as shit. If thomith thinks celeb is town, he absolutely should not target either of you, because if he targets celeb he probably dies and stops celeb from conftowning anyone (like me )

The only reason thomith would want to flip a coin between you and celeb would be if thomith wasn't a more likely kill than either of you. Which he is.

[Flavor Leaf]

nah, still worth openly saying the coin flip scenarios, if only for the potential of a town Celeb getting more VT confirmations.

[Flavor Leaf]

they dont have to listen to it, but dont see the purpose of letting it be on paper WIFOM'able.

[Bingle]

nah, still worth openly saying the coin flip scenarios, if only for the potential of a town Celeb getting more VT confirmations.

The whole point is that JK targeting Celeb makes it a 0% chance that there are more VT confirmations, AND in the situation where celeb is scum bakes in a reason that celeb doesn't have to have a result tomorrow.