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[Black]

I don't think I agree with the premise that scum try to avoid starting new wagons. I think it's more risky for them to jump on wagons that have already gained some momentum because it can come across as opportunistic. Starting a new wagon and going against the grain is usually pretty safe and often times viewed as them trying to solve the game

[Black]

What are your most confident reads Thommyboy

[Thomith]

I don't think I agree with the premise that scum try to avoid starting new wagons. I think it's more risky for them to jump on wagons that have already gained some momentum because it can come across as opportunistic. Starting a new wagon and going against the grain is usually pretty safe and often times viewed as them trying to solve the game

I can see that, but I feel like it would look more forced in that case though? I'm following Jacksons progression and to me it felt genuine?

[Thomith]

What are your most confident reads Thommyboy

Asteriscs are reads I'm more confident about but this is where I roughly stand right now I think.

Black*
JacksonVirgo*

Gamma Emerald

ssbm_kyouko
KittyTacky

Naerys
DragonEater70

Katsuki

Hu Tao*

camelCasedSnivy
davesaz

[Thomith]

To clarify why Hu Tao isn't down at the bottom as scummiest, but is more confident, is that Hu Tao hasn't done a lot actively scummy, which is why I dont have them as scummiest, but my gut is still pinging strongly that their play and tone feels so similar to the Micro that I have a hard time believing they are town.

I dont necessarily want to fade them right now, because again, they haven't dont a lot actively scummy, and I could be tunelled on the wing thing.
I struggle to read Hu Tao generally I fear, which is why while im confident, im not convinced if that makes any sense?

[Black]

Can you elaborate on your Katsuki and Hu Tao reads a bit?

[Thomith]

Naerys and DE70 are where they are on the list because I feel like they're just acting fucking weird, so I dont really know how to read that.

[Black]

I guess just your Katsuki read then

[Thomith]

Can you elaborate on your Katsuki and Hu Tao reads a bit?

Is what I said about Hu Tao enough of an elaboration? Or do you want me to grab quotes and such?

P-edit I guess we are just gunna keep ninjaing each other lmao

[Thomith]

I guess just your Katsuki read then

Yes but it may take me a little bit to consolidate how I'm feeling into a post because I'm still at work for a little bit.

[Thomith]

To clarify why Hu Tao isn't down at the bottom as scummiest, but is more confident, is that Hu Tao hasn't done a lot actively scummy, which is why I dont have them as scummiest, but my gut is still pinging strongly that their play and tone feels so similar to the Micro that I have a hard time believing they are town.

I dont necessarily want to fade them right now, because again, they haven't dont a lot actively scummy, and I could be tunelled on the wing thing.
I struggle to read Hu Tao generally I fear, which is why while im confident, im not convinced if that makes any sense?

I also have no idea why tone auto corrected to wing

[Gamma Emerald]

I think when it comes to the day ending wagon
I’m fine if it’s either Snivy or Dragon

[Black]

I guess just your Katsuki read then

Yes but it may take me a little bit to consolidate how I'm feeling into a post because I'm still at work for a little bit.

No rush. I'm about to clock in myself

[Black]

I think when it comes to the day ending wagon
I’m fine if it’s either Snivy or Dragon

I'm ok with a Snivy fade

I pretty much just don't want to fade within {Hu, Gamma, Katsuki} today

The rest are fair game but I'd feel better about some than others

[Black]

I guess just your Katsuki read then

Yes but it may take me a little bit to consolidate how I'm feeling into a post because I'm still at work for a little bit.

Can you also go over your Dave read a little when you get around to it? I think I'm townreading him tonally so I'm curious what you see there

[Thomith]

I guess just your Katsuki read then

Yes but it may take me a little bit to consolidate how I'm feeling into a post because I'm still at work for a little bit.

Can you also go over your Dave read a little when you get around to it? I think I'm townreading him tonally so I'm curious what you see there

I'll go into more detail for sure, but the focus in Gammas rhyming as a key point for a scum read feels like a cop out to me that I dont like.

[davesaz]

Ah, I don't scumread Gamma. I don't have a read on Gamma at all because the rhyming prevents me from using the method I want to use.

[davesaz]

If y'all are scumreading me for that, get better glasses!

[Black]

Kinda want to throw Dave in my Do Not Fade list today

{Hu, Gamma, Katsuki, Dave}

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Deadline in this game is on a weekend, so I won't be around for it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Where I am right now, I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Purely to get under your brain wrinkles, assuming this is the case, do you feel Naerys/Black are acting in a way that would back the idea of your solve up?

Their posting threw me for a bit of a loop tbh. I was far more certain about it being the 3 of them last night when I was lying in bed than today.

Black's been my most solid scumread today and I would like to think I'm not wrong on that one.
I didn't like a lot of Dragon's posts that he made recently, namely #348, 372, 375 and 428.

Early game certainly gave me Black/Naerys partner vibes. I feel like if we actually do have Dragon and Black both flipping scum, we can probably safely nom Naerys and then if we're wrong, go from there.

Black has also been a solid SR for me,

as has Thom but you seem to town-lean them so I can ask the reasoning for that in particular? I'll check over the posts you have here, a lot of what I don't like about Dragon is from his early game. It felt incredibly detached and showoffish, trying way too hard so I don't understand how anybody town-reads that based off vibe alone. Content wise I don't have any particular thoughts onhim.

This feels like a surprise to me, I can hardly tell what you're talking about in most of your posts with her because it seems sort of abstract and tbh I'm having a hard time following what some of the run-on sentences mean even if I try to slow them down or put my own punctuation in. Idk I'm feeling pretty glazed up reading this game right now, can you explain this read, preferably with quotes?

I guess I could have missed this in your 1-10 catchup actually now that I think on it, I didn't want to do all the post-tag clicking

Like this in particular, felt to me like the tone is not one someone would take with a scumread:

I get better as the game goes on but even later you'll see me second guessing myself constantly

I know very well you're good at the game, I can't wait to see you pop off

[Black]

^ yep

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Has anybody played with Dragon before?

Black, Hu Tao, and I have a recent completion with him

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think Naerys wanting to flip a null read over her scumreads indicates that she doesn't really care who is faded. The argument that a Snivy flip gives us a lot of info doesn't check out either considering he's one of the least active slots in the game

Basically Naerys my confusion is

You are voting Katsuki, saying you are scumreading Gamma/dave, but you want Snivy limmed.

Can you walk me through this

I parked my vote on Katsuki bcz of that ugly picture.
Gamme/dave was a gut feeling i had at a certain point
i wanted Snivy limmed bcz it would give decent info
now i think its better to lim me, only claim scum will get from me is "vanilla" tho

Naerys wtf are you doing

If you are scum you should fight

If you are town you should fight even harder

I have a plan.

Two things come to mind here.
If Naerys is town vengeful hoping to bait scum, I think her reads are more likely to lose us another town. It's hard to tell given my reads aren't all that strong, but just a bad feeling here.
It's also possible she's scum with cCS and with a less valuable role.

I was also thinking she's vengeful, but why ever would you say that out loud???

Yeah it feels like the obvious answer, but idk why you'd say that out loud either.
I will say if its true, I likely get shot and we have 2 town dead at the end of Day 1.

I feel like at least one or both of you are cappin - didn't occur to me in a normal, even if it's complex, to think she's vengeful. And I think dave's post makes it clear why he did point it out - he's worried Naerys's reads are bad to the point that we'd lose 2 town if vengeful!Naerys was limmed. I think if dave is scum he doesn't have to make that post ITT - that can go to the scum PT.

Oh, reading closer Thomith isn't saying he'd thought the same thing, just saying it makes sense. Which is where I was at - not saying anything about it now and just sort of bookmarking dave as +town.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki feels townie over the last couple of pages and her scumread on me feels more natural than Jackson's

Black's been my most solid scumread today and I would like to think I'm not wrong on that one.
I didn't like a lot of Dragon's posts that he made recently, namely #348, 372, 375 and 428

I don't understand this though. If I've been your most solid scumread then why haven't you pushed me at all? You say you don't think you're wrong but you haven't cased me at all, you've just been voting for existing wagons instead

I believe this read is genuine but I've never been confident that someone is scum and just ignored them or didn't push them at all. I'd like to understand where you're coming from here

1. I rarely case people in the wall poster sense.

2. Too much effort to push a player that only I am scumreading D1. Much easier to flip scumbuddies first and then nom you off their flips instead.

3. I quite like you as a player, and was perfectly happy to sit back and watch you play. After all, I don't have to necessarily get you nom'ed D1, just nom'ed at some point during the game. Obviously carried the risk of me dying overnight early before being able to lay down a foundation for you being scum.
On that note will be quite sad if it turns out that I'm entirely wrong about my reads this game and you were town. I have too many townreads for that to really make sense though, and would involve me being entirely wrong about all my scum/town reads. I don't believe we have something like a kyouko+hutao centered scumteam so.