Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[Sakura Hana]

What do you want me to do about sircakez getting wagoned, exactly? I didn't vote for them

The point of contention about Cakez was brought up by Pooky, to which i countered by mentioning you hadnt posted since Cakez wagon resurfaced, after checking that you've been on-site when the wagon did resurface the points become valid again, if not worse.
I'll just quote it here for your convenience:

When I are up I want to see some people say why they think cakez is town

I think Dunnstral's read of SirCakez and overt defense of him makes him TMI'd town. 585 792

as the game has progressed and Cakez became leading wagon on a 2nd go around - Dunnstral's said nothing to defend his Cakez Townread from earlier and just kind of twiddling his thumbs trying to pretend he doesn't exist.

Feels like he wants the Cakez wagon to go through. His inactivity while Cakez/BCG are the leading wagons makes me think he's comfortable with either one going through which doesnt make sense if he's scum with scum!cakez or town with a cakez townread. Furthermore he says nothing to really defend Cakez when he does enter the thread.

Dunnstral's scumplay I would classify as "act when necessary" and I think in game states that are favorable to scum he doesn't really do much you can see G+R for an example of Dunnstral doing nothing in a game state favorable to mafia.

[Dunnstral]

Alright

[ssbm_Kyouko]

but actually taking player count into account he's posting like exactly 1/17th of the posts here with 17 alive, and in Isekai he posted a little over half of what 1/13th of the playerlist would be posting, so he's posting here more than he did in Isekai, relative to the player count and total posts of both games' D1s

explain

The math I did:
Isekai:
156 Dunnstral posts / 3300 D1 posts (the actual number was around 3360 but I cut some down to account for mod posting and to use a nice number) = 4.72% of the total posts.
13 players alive on D1, so 1/13 is about as much as any one player should be posting if everyone is posting equally: 1/13 = 7.69%.
Half of 7.69 is around 3.8 - Dunn is posting a little more than half of what's "expected" of a player in a 13p game when he is scum in Isekai

This game:
95 Dunnstral posts / 1600 D1 posts at the time I made 1639 (the actual number was around 1630, but again, I cut some off to account for mod posting and to use an even number. Seemed fair to cut about half off of this as I did off of Isekai, due to the posts being approximately half of Isekai's in this game) = 5.94%
this game has 17 players - 1/17 = 5.88%, which is almost exactly what Dunn is posting. He's actually posting slightly more than the "expected" in this game.

Because he posts slightly more than half the "expected" in Isekai and posts almost exactly the "expected" here, overall I'd say he's posting about twice as much (a little less than that) in this game as he did in Isekai.

[PenguinPower]

Did you do the math for one of his recent town games?

[Save The Dragons]

This math convo couldn't interest me less

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: kyouko

[PenguinPower]

This math convo couldn't interest me less

it interests me insofar as it's meaningless work and i want it to continue

[PenguinPower]

[Cephrir]

This math convo couldn't interest me less

[Cephrir]

i almost want to vote kyouko too for thinking this is useful + also i want her to smoke these mystical tells on gamma/cakez im not going to follow "because trust me"

[Klick]

so who do you want to eliminate

I don't really know atm

Cakez and Dunn are both trending down for me atm and I could see either of them being in my blind spot
I want to see what Gamma flips and I kinda want to sheep Kyouko's read there so I guess that's my preference
I'd still happily kill jjh

I think I've gone off Pooky? But not at the strength that I'd resist it if it started picking up steam

[Gamma Emerald]

i almost want to vote kyouko too for thinking this is useful + also i want her to smoke these mystical tells on gamma/cakez im not going to follow "because trust me"

Why aren’t you, then?

[Cephrir]

i

almost

want to vote kyouko too for thinking this is useful + also i want her to smoke these mystical tells on gamma/cakez im not going to follow "because trust me"

Why aren’t you, then?

[Alisae]

VOTE: jjh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The math isn't relevant at all here, I just like doing math and I got curious about proving one way or the other that Dunn was posting more/less

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cakez and Gamma tells are the same tell with different outlets, which is why I'm pretty confident in Cakez, because it looks the same to me, and the tell has been accurate on Gamma.

For Cakez - he uses the word bullshit or bs from time to time, as both alignments, but he misuses it as scum. He uses it in situations where he surely does not have full conviction about what he is saying.

Gamma does the same thing when she gets heated. She says things that she would say as either alignment, but the words lack conviction. I recently read through 10+ games of Gamma's looking for posts with these types of words and correctly identified her alignment in all of the games that contained 'heated' posts. I also was able to guess correctly most, if not all of the time when the tell was not present just by skimming her ISO. I know she is scum here.

Reviewing Cakez's games I am less confident because I didn't spend as much time doing it as I did Gamma, and I specifically sought out games where he said bs or bullshit, checked his alignment first, and then checked the context to see if his use of the word felt justified. It seemed reasonably easy to tell when his usage lacked conviction, though I did know he was scum when looking. With Gamma's games I didn't check her alignment first and I read all of her games. With Cakez i could search for a key word and find specific games.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It doesn't really do harm to out these tells I think because the conviction is difficult to fake for Gamma, that's why the tell is effective. I dont know if the same will hold true for Cakez, but the nature of the tell is that it is hard to mask anyways.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And if I'm outing it I dont really think Cakez gets away if any town is willing to do legwork on my claim after I die

VOTE: Gamma

If we go to Night phase maybe I'll put Cakez meta case into my last will thingy

[Cephrir]

VOTE: gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

These are what I'm referring to with Gamma

Spoiler: the quotes

btw gun to head if competent players haven't TR'd Gamma yet then she probably is just a wolf.
I remember Gamma being like super easy to TR when she's town so.

I hate everything about this read
How about you don’t hide behind some third-rate BoP technobabble and actually give a real opinion?

what are you going to do
vote me

viewtopic.php?t=91760 here gamma was very easy to tr early

Shut the fuck up, you don’t get to claim you correctly TRed me in that game after your meltdown in reaction to being wagoned

what are you going to do
vote me

Maybe
Depends on how I feel at the end of this

cry about it

nothing u say is going to make me actually give a fuck to play, I play on my own time, sorry.

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

VOTE: alisae
this feels like a possible scum play and I just fucking hate your guts rn so you exiting the game is an improvement

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

fucking bet

I have minimal tolerance for players approaching me in bad faith

Hate is a strong word

your point being? Alisae’s read on me is absolutely trash-tier, he knows it, and is avoiding addressing the real issues by stating “I play on my own time”.
You even said your vote on me would be removed when Alisae said to, so you are the exact reason why that garbage needs to be called out.

[Alisae]

I am kind of hesitant to actually wanting to vote gamma but ig it's time to do my due diligence

[Gamma Emerald]

i

almost

want to vote kyouko too for thinking this is useful + also i want her to smoke these mystical tells on gamma/cakez im not going to follow "because trust me"

Why aren’t you, then?

That isn’t even slightly an answer to my question

[Gamma Emerald]

These are what I'm referring to with Gamma

Spoiler: the quotes

btw gun to head if competent players haven't TR'd Gamma yet then she probably is just a wolf.
I remember Gamma being like super easy to TR when she's town so.

I hate everything about this read
How about you don’t hide behind some third-rate BoP technobabble and actually give a real opinion?

what are you going to do
vote me

viewtopic.php?t=91760 here gamma was very easy to tr early

Shut the fuck up, you don’t get to claim you correctly TRed me in that game after your meltdown in reaction to being wagoned

what are you going to do
vote me

Maybe
Depends on how I feel at the end of this

cry about it

nothing u say is going to make me actually give a fuck to play, I play on my own time, sorry.

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

VOTE: alisae
this feels like a possible scum play and I just fucking hate your guts rn so you exiting the game is an improvement

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

fucking bet

I have minimal tolerance for players approaching me in bad faith

Hate is a strong word

your point being? Alisae’s read on me is absolutely trash-tier, he knows it, and is avoiding addressing the real issues by stating “I play on my own time”.
You even said your vote on me would be removed when Alisae said to, so you are the exact reason why that garbage needs to be called out.

Maybe the reason I lack conviction is I have seen Alisae openly play in bad faith so I see getting rid of em as a “cleaning up” measure. Have you tried considering that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda hate you for the crap you’re pulling rn btw, kyouko

[T3]

She says things that she would say as either alignment, but the words lack conviction.

How does this track at all?