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[Hu Tao]

Kyouko I think is scum. I'd prefer that here for certain.

[biancospino]

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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

camelCasedSnivy (3)

: Gamma Emerald, Thomith, davesaz

DragonEater70 (2):

ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki

Naerys (2):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky

Katsuki (1):

Naerys

Thomith (1):

JacksonVirgo

JacksonVirgo (1):

Black

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Hu Tao

Not Voting (1):

DragonEater70

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here
  
• ssbm_Kyouko is V/LA on weekends.
  
• Thomith is V/LA this weekend.

[Black]

Hmmm. Ok

I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about Jackson

I'm not really seeing kyouko!scum though

[Black]

KittyTacky - Towny
davesaz - unsure
ssbm_kyouko - unsure
Celebloki - leaning sus
DragonEater70 - sus
camelCasedSnivy - unsure
Naerys - unsure
Gamma Emerald - unsure
Katsuki - unsure
Black - towny
Thomith - unsure but leaning sus

This is where I'm at right now.

What changed between this post and now regarding kyouko?

[Black]

Also Hu do you still scumread Dragon? I'm wondering how your read on him fits in with your kyouko read considering she also thinks he's scum

[Naerys]

Those wall posts are legit scummy

It feels like you're only saying this because others started to scum read thom recently.

0 logic in this since i dont TR thom anymore

[Katsuki]

Kyouko I think is scum. I'd prefer that here for certain.

If not kyouko, then who else would you entertain for nom de jour?

[Katsuki]

At this point, I'm half amused by watching to see who actually gets deadline nom'ed because we're 2 days out and still can't seem to come to a consensus. Scum are obviously fine with this gamestate so long as the wagon isn't on them. Hopefully those of you who are town start focusing up.

I am still of the opinion that Dragon has a high probability to flip scum here, and provides us the most information pertaining to the alignment of other players to crack this game wide open.

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point, I'm half amused by watching to see who actually gets deadline nom'ed because we're 2 days out and still can't seem to come to a consensus. Scum are obviously fine with this gamestate so long as the wagon isn't on them. Hopefully those of you who are town start focusing up.

I am still of the opinion that Dragon has a high probability to flip scum here, and provides us the most information pertaining to the alignment of other players to crack this game wide open.

I believe this happened in the game where I rhymed previously
I ended up sniffing out a scum that was slanking deviously
I don't think we need to vote out another low-content slot
But I think taking the road less traveled is worth a shot

[Katsuki]

At this point, I'm half amused by watching to see who actually gets deadline nom'ed because we're 2 days out and still can't seem to come to a consensus. Scum are obviously fine with this gamestate so long as the wagon isn't on them. Hopefully those of you who are town start focusing up.

I am still of the opinion that Dragon has a high probability to flip scum here, and provides us the most information pertaining to the alignment of other players to crack this game wide open.

I believe this happened in the game where I rhymed previously
I ended up sniffing out a scum that was slanking deviously
I don't think we need to vote out another low-content slot
But I think taking the road less traveled is worth a shot

How about this, you give me dragon today, and I give you CCS tomorrow if I live? In the event that Black is scum, I don't think I live past today, and with dragon scumflip I think it'll be enough for you guys to go back and observe how diligently she worked to construct any wagon not named dragon from like pg16 on without me.

If we nom CCS today and he flips town, and I die overnight, I don't have the confidence that you guys will consecutively nom Dragon and Black D2/3 accordingly.

[Black]

At this point, I'm half amused by watching to see who actually gets deadline nom'ed because we're 2 days out and still can't seem to come to a consensus. Scum are obviously fine with this gamestate so long as the wagon isn't on them. Hopefully those of you who are town start focusing up.

I am still of the opinion that Dragon has a high probability to flip scum here, and provides us the most information pertaining to the alignment of other players to crack this game wide open.

I believe this happened in the game where I rhymed previously
I ended up sniffing out a scum that was slanking deviously
I don't think we need to vote out another low-content slot
But I think taking the road less traveled is worth a shot

How about this, you give me dragon today, and I give you CCS tomorrow if I live? In the event that Black is scum, I don't think I live past today, and with dragon scumflip I think it'll be enough for you guys to go back and observe how diligently she worked to construct any wagon not named dragon from like pg16 on without me.

If we nom CCS today and he flips town, and I die overnight, I don't have the confidence that you guys will consecutively nom Dragon and Black D2/3 accordingly.

Your Dragon/Black read is hot garbage

There are many players I haven't tried to wagon that are not named Dragon

You're in a really bad tunnel rn if you're town

[Black]

Kitty, Hu, Gamma, Dave, kyouko, Katsuki

I haven't tried to build a wagon on over half the player list so why are you misrepping me so bad?

Wake tf up

[biancospino]

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General reminder not to send other players PMs that are, even tangentially, related to the game.
Likewise, do not solicit the same, nor publicly pretend that this rule has been broken.

[Katsuki]

Your Dragon/Black read is hot garbage

There are many players I haven't tried to wagon that are not named Dragon

You're in a really bad tunnel rn if you're town

I'd be shocked if you thought my read was good

How about this, help me get untunneled on you by flipping Dragon today. ^_^

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm in a weird spot where my two top townreads are suspecting each other, which is making it hard for me to make sense of things either way, because I trust you both.

I'm in a weird spot myself, I'm not sure how I feel about Black anymore. There's of course the points I've made that I still stand by, but at the same time I am warming up to them because the progression around the theory about us both feels pure. I'm not sure if Black throws themselves even further into the points I'm scum-reading them for, to propel themselves out of it later, it would be genuinely impressive.

[Katsuki]

Kitty, Hu, Gamma, Dave, kyouko, Katsuki

I haven't tried to build a wagon on over half the player list so why are you misrepping me so bad?

Wake tf up

I did not misrep you, I said any wagon not dragon, not every single player not dragon. Factually, it's true that you have not entertained a dragon wagon once. The closest you came was a statement saying

"dragon could be scum"

, then later calling him town that same page.

[JacksonVirgo]

It didn't feel like an ask.

I did ask in my third post, I may have had accidentally leaked my thoughts on them while asking and if so I apologize but I did ask them to get an answer.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Black, Naerys, Hu Tao, how do you feel about voting Kyo here?

VOTE: Kyo

Why don't you just vote Kyo and make arguments? Why are you reaching out again, for like the fifth time seemingly to get permission to place a vote?

[Black]

Kitty, Hu, Gamma, Dave, kyouko, Katsuki

I haven't tried to build a wagon on over half the player list so why are you misrepping me so bad?

Wake tf up

I did not misrep you, I said any wagon not dragon, not every single player not dragon. Factually, it's true that you have not entertained a dragon wagon once. The closest you came was a statement saying

"dragon could be scum"

, then later calling him town that same page.

I like Dragon and I don't think he's been particularly scummy so of course I haven't entertained a wagon there. And yeah I think he could be scum but he's in the bottom half of the players I'd like to fade today, so no, I won't be helping you push there

[Katsuki]

I like Dragon and I don't think he's been particularly scummy so of course I haven't entertained a wagon there. And yeah I think he could be scum but he's in the bottom half of the players I'd like to fade today, so no, I won't be helping you push there

That's quite a lot of players you have in the pool ahead of "could be scum" then.

Unlucky for me, was hoping you could help me untunnel off of you.

[Black]

VOTE: Naerys

I think I want to give my Jackson read more time to develop, and I would rather do this over CCS

I don't like how Naerys tried to flirt with the idea of joining the CCS wagon after it gained momentum. Her excuse for not actually placing a vote there was because it seemed like other people didn't want to end the day yet, which could be a legit reason, but I'm reading it as her being self-conscious about placing a tail-end vote on a mislim

I think the whole "yeet me pls" is theatre to make us think she's fine with being faded so we don't actually fade there. She says she has a plan but I'm not really buying it

Plus she already claimed VT so if we just push this through then we don't have to risk anyone else claiming

[Black]

I like Dragon and I don't think he's been particularly scummy so of course I haven't entertained a wagon there. And yeah I think he could be scum but he's in the bottom half of the players I'd like to fade today, so no, I won't be helping you push there

That's quite a lot of players you have in the pool ahead of "could be scum" then.

Unlucky for me, was hoping you could help me untunnel off of you.

There's a lot of players I think could be scum. I only have 4 in my Do Not Fade list and I'm even paranoid that some of them could be scum. That's just who I am

I think your tunnel is a detriment to the town but I'm not going to vote for a townread just so you'll snap out of it and help solve the game

[Black]

Spoiler: Naerys sequence

I've been waffling on the original post I had and have decided to withhold it for now.

Where I am right now, I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Normally I'd be perfectly fine with D1 nomming CCS slot contribution, but I really don't like how that wagon came about. We went from stalled wagons 3 votes apiece on Dragon, Naerys and Thomith, with Thomith being the counterwagon with dragon and naerys voting for him, to suddenly being able to construct a wagon on the lurker. Nothing in his posting had changed, he could've been voted or examined at any time during the day, but no one thought to mention him at all until it came to WAGON HO!

Currently where I'm sitting looks roughly like this.

CONFTOWN:

ME

STRONGTOWN:

KYOUKO
KITTY

TOWN:

HUTAO
GE

LIKELY TOWN

THOMITH (conf town if Dragon+Naerys both flip scum)

That leaves davesaz, CCS, Jackson, Black, dragon and Naerys.

dave I'm firmly null on atm.
CCS is null leaning town
JACKSON I'm tempted to toss him into the town pile.

That conveniently leaves dragon, black and naerys. Is the game really this easy? Maybe. I'm pretty confident that there's at least two scum in that pool (wouldn't shock me if I nailed all 3, but would surprise me a bit playing with a new group of players). I quite like what Black has been doing from a scum perspective, and in my eyes it makes the most sense that it stems from Dragon being scum. Plus, she's no longer a fluffy adorable Umbreon. If Dragon flips scum, she is buddy #1 and needs to be TURBONOMMED accordingly.

So TL;DR, at the moment I think the game is fairly straight forward, with Dragon likely to be scum and his buddies being pretty obvious post-flip. Therefore I'm happiest with a Dragon nom today.

Thom+katsuki are scum
I need to find the last one

I've been waffling on the original post I had and have decided to withhold it for now.

Where I am right now, I still think that Dragon is most likely to flip scum out of the leading nom candidates based off of a number of factors. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there's a good chance he is the strongest PR the wolves have.

Normally I'd be perfectly fine with D1 nomming CCS slot contribution, but I really don't like how that wagon came about. We went from stalled wagons 3 votes apiece on Dragon, Naerys and Thomith, with Thomith being the counterwagon with dragon and naerys voting for him, to suddenly being able to construct a wagon on the lurker. Nothing in his posting had changed, he could've been voted or examined at any time during the day, but no one thought to mention him at all until it came to WAGON HO!

Currently where I'm sitting looks roughly like this.

CONFTOWN:

ME

STRONGTOWN:

KYOUKO
KITTY

TOWN:

HUTAO
GE

LIKELY TOWN

THOMITH (conf town if Dragon+Naerys both flip scum)

That leaves davesaz, CCS, Jackson, Black, dragon and Naerys.

dave I'm firmly null on atm.
CCS is null leaning town
JACKSON I'm tempted to toss him into the town pile.

That conveniently leaves dragon, black and naerys. Is the game really this easy? Maybe. I'm pretty confident that there's at least two scum in that pool (wouldn't shock me if I nailed all 3, but would surprise me a bit playing with a new group of players). I quite like what Black has been doing from a scum perspective, and in my eyes it makes the most sense that it stems from Dragon being scum. Plus, she's no longer a fluffy adorable Umbreon. If Dragon flips scum, she is buddy #1 and needs to be TURBONOMMED accordingly.

So TL;DR, at the moment I think the game is fairly straight forward, with Dragon likely to be scum and his buddies being pretty obvious post-flip. Therefore I'm happiest with a Dragon nom today.

Thom+katsuki are scum
I need to find the last one

Why are we scum together?

Those wall posts are legit scummy

Those wall posts are legit scummy

Katsukis or mine, or both?

Are you saying that you SR us both I individually then, or that we have partner equity?

Bye

I dont understand why you're actively just being unhelpful.
I've legitimately never seen you like this before.

I want to get d1 limmed

After my flip use brains and look into kitty-black-thom -> two are going after easy target and one feels reluctant to vote vanilla

This feels really weird to me. Almost like Naerys forgot for a second that she's trying a "I want to be faded angle" and she started to solve again. When Thom questions her read she just says "Bye" and "I want to get D1 limmed". Then she gives a final solving theory under the assumption that she is the guaranteed fade. It just doesn't feel very real to me

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Naerys

I think I want to give my Jackson read more time to develop, and I would rather do this over CCS

I don't like how Naerys tried to flirt with the idea of joining the CCS wagon after it gained momentum. Her excuse for not actually placing a vote there was because it seemed like other people didn't want to end the day yet, which could be a legit reason, but I'm reading it as her being self-conscious about placing a tail-end vote on a mislim

I think the whole "yeet me pls" is theatre to make us think she's fine with being faded so we don't actually fade there. She says she has a plan but I'm not really buying it

Plus she already claimed VT so if we just push this through then we don't have to risk anyone else claiming

Naerys isn't a horrible consensus wagon, their recent posting has been lacklustre at best as well so they've been dropping pretty substantially in my reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

This feels really weird to me. Almost like Naerys forgot for a second that she's trying a "I want to be faded angle" and she started to solve again. When Thom questions her read she just says "Bye" and "I want to get D1 limmed". Then she gives a final solving theory under the assumption that she is the guaranteed fade. It just doesn't feel very real to me

Alright, playing devil's advocate. Why is this weird posting necessarily wolfy? Because I can definitely understand what you're seeing, I am not entirely sure a wolf would be doing this