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[Naerys]

Shouldnt Guillotina get prodded?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

This is slow. Let's ignore the neighbor thing I guess. I still think mafia is likely between enchant and JacksonVirgo based on neither of those slots having been voting for Roden. Both have since had replacements so not much to talk about in terms of defense on their parts.

Cool can we kill Jackson already

Can we like, NOT vote Enchant? They are third obvtown slot after Nurse and HT.

I feel like Enchant is likely scum and pred was obv scum. Not a clue where you'd get obv town.

Key was nullish. What's obvscum about them?

Enchant feels like their town self but I know Enchant is ostensibly unreadable so everybody is gonna think I'm wrong or something.

[Naerys]

Enchant feels like their town self

How does scum!Enchant feels then

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Different

[Naerys]

Thats helpful.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay looks like deadline in this game is also over the weekend... I PMed Bingle/Jingle asking about Neighborizer just now since it's been a little bit since Jingle checked in but Bingle has been active in some games so maybe he'll spot the question there before deadline.

Even if mod can't confirm, Dave can still confirm himself by neighborizing either HT or JV - if he has 3 hoods and they're all separate and we assume 4 scum (I think this is safe) then we know he isn't lying about one of BQ2/Enchant.

Random Nurse can, if he wants, target Dave toNight. This is by no means necessary but if Dave is scum, it will force scum's hand if RN targets this way, because they won't be able to kill, alien, and neighborize all at once. If Dave is scum and lying about creating individual hoods, he won't be able to claim he was aliened if RN turns up dead with another body - which basically forces scum!Dave to kill RN and narrow the PR pool, closing the net around himself.

Since Dave/RN can work themselves out overNight I think Guillotina is who I want the most right now - if Dave is scum he'll get caught by this claim as long as we keep him leashed, and if he is town, it means the scum is amongst the other PRs and dave can continue to confirm that claimed VTs are in fact vanilla.

If Guillo flips scum I'm fine if Dave wants to freely target amongst any of the claimed PRs instead because at that point we already know that 2 town (Enchant and BQ2) have confirmed he does in fact create separate hoods.

Back to this unless the mod comes in and confirms "a neighborizer should only have 1 hood" before the deadline comes
VOTE: Guillo
I don't want a VT dead right now because I don't want scum to be able to Alien the last VT - if dave is town, I want them to have to 50-50 guess which VT to Alien if they want to try to frame dave by stopping his hood without targeting him. Actually this doesn't make sense now that I type it out, they could just Alien dave. I guess the benefit is that if dave and RN are both town it means they'll only be able to interfere with one of them

[Hu Tao]

Can we prod the mod?

[Jingle]

@mod - can you confirm that any "Neighborizer" (with no other roles/modifiers) in this game would work in the way described on the Mafia wiki under normal guidelines? Specifically, the wiki states "private topic" (as opposed to "private topic(s)" or similar) in the sample role PM.

A neighborizer in this game, if it exists, would create a new PT on each successful usage of its ability.

Sorry for the delay in answering.

[Jingle]

Vote Count 4.5

Guillotina

(E-3): Random Nurse, ssbm_Kyouko,

JacksonVirgo

(E-4): Broccoli Quest 2,

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-5): Guillotina,

davesaz

(E-5): Enchant,

Enchant

(E-6): Dunnstral, Hu Tao,

Hu Tao

(E-6):

Dunnstral

(E-6):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-6):

Naerys

(E-6):

Random Nurse

(E-6):

Not Voting

: davesaz, JacksonVirgo, Naerys,

ssbm_Kyouko

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With 10 alive it takes 6 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2024-01-07 21:48:36).

Mod Notes: Due to New Years, the deadline is being extended. I will be a little more lenient on prods over this period, but please let me know if you plan to be V/LA due to the holidays so that you don't accidentally get replaced.

[Jingle]

Deadline to be extended 24 hours due to mod answer delay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Alright well, I was drafting something when the Neighborizer realization hit me and I've since deleted the notepad - I was rereading - cant remember what exactly, but I dont think I started on page 1 - and some post of Hu Tao's I think it was prompted me to look at the setup/claims again and start writing shit out.

I dont really want to be on the chopping block but I don't think limming VTs is the way to go. I remember writing down that I seriously doubt there are any TPRs that claimed VT to hide their role, so we should let dave 'clear' the VTs while we work on finding the scum in the PRs.

We've had, 6 VT flips/claims. 6/13 town being vanilla I think is reasonable given that Millers are just more vanillas that can be cleared by rolecop in this setup. 8 'vanillas' and 5 PRs. All investigatives claimed/flipped are pretty much only able to clear, not guilty, and we had 2 weaker (RN kills himself if he hits scum and dies after 1 successful protect) (Guillo is 2-shot) protectives and 2 FN claims.

Hu Tao - confirmed vanilla by flipped rolecop result
Enchant/BQ2 - confirmed vanilla by unflipped davesaz - at least one must be vanilla as there's just not 5 scum here I don't think
JV (Timmer) - claimed VT
KK - flipped VT
Elements - flipped VT

I think what we need is for dave/RN to clear each other/JV while we lim inside the PRs. So we cant lim either of them. It needs to be between me, dunnstral, and guillo today

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We have 2 mislims before ELO, 3 if RN isn't a second body one of these next 2 Nights.

8-2 now - lim in {Kyo, Dunn, Guillo}

Lim one, if town we go to 6-2 or 5-2 if RN hits scum
At 5-2 we have 2 mislims amongst 4 PRs {Kyo, Dunn, Guillo, dave, Naerys}, minus the one we lim toDay.

If we lim Guillo toDay, we get 2 mislims amongst 3 PRs if Guillo is Town, because Naerys gets removed.

If we go to 6-2/4-2, RN can provide his clears - he can target in the PRs while dave clears the last VT. If scum wants the VTs on the table they'll have to block dave, leaving RN to target the other PRs (not dave because probably the blocker is a Backup turned alien). If scum are in the PRs they have to block RN.

[Jingle]

Prodding Guillotina.

[Hu Tao]

I'm not voting Dunn or kyouko

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: guillotina

[Naerys]

VOTE: Guillotina
If i sent my fn notice to scum i will just jump off the rock
Nah kidding this would be the exact example of my luck
I kinda feel like i wish this day to end so if anyone wants to hammer

[Naerys]

…if anyone wants to hammer you can do so

[Naerys]

Although we still need 2 votes?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Naerys locktown from last 3 posts

This changes things for me slightly

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'm not voting Dunn or kyouko

Why?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VOTE: JV

Pretty sure I was already voting, but just emphasizing my vote

If you are right that this flips town then I am pretty sure that Dunn is just coasting scum

But I don't think JV is town. They are feeling detached / low effort here, which I do not think is in line with their town game, but is in line with their scum game. Timmer wasn't really towny either. It's an obvscum slot and limming Guillo is just stupid.

I think JV's flips cracks the game open (since rn we can all agree it's pretty stagnant and also deadlocked), whereas Guillo flip adds nothing except getting Naerys nightkilled. Which is bad because we want scum to be forced to kill in PoE.

[JacksonVirgo]

but is in line with their scum game.

lol what? Do you even know me? I'm much more into my scum games lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

You're pulling that out of your ass, why?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Going to shrug and vote Enchant as a compromise

VOTE: Enchant

This is slow. Let's ignore the neighbor thing I guess. I still think mafia is likely between enchant and JacksonVirgo based on neither of those slots having been voting for Roden. Both have since had replacements so not much to talk about in terms of defense on their parts.

Maybe Dunn is just scum

VOTE: Dunn

[JacksonVirgo]

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