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[lucca261]

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

You mean like you're doing now?

Maybe. See how he shouldn't trust everyone?

[MargotRosa]

Sorry for absence. Slowly catching up, but in response to 112 it was mine and gf's anniversary, and my sleep schedule has been screwed up. I was thyinking about absence this morning, but made the wise decision to give myself a couple days not checking so I would feel less bad about compulsively checking later

[Claptastik]

Ugh I'm bored but two hours to go. Someone post something...

[Laplacian]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.

Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?

[Laplacian]

Will have more time after my wife competes.

Post a link if you can.

Not going to post exact division since I don't want to doxx us, but here's the livestream for the country world championships
https://www.twitch.tv/rgstreaming

[MargotRosa]

At the bottom of page 6. Will post vibes from here and keep going after a bit of a break.

Town leans:
- GammaEmerald - Liked their vote for me the most out of all of them. Feels like the work of a fairly proactive townie to gain info for reads based on responses, which I vibe with
- Laplacian - Based mostly on 119. I didn't like Hu Tao's vote for Upward at 101, for fairly similar reasons expressed there.
- Gypyx can stay for now as well.

Very slight scum lean from FuDuzn. 127 seems like their reads are grasps that don't have much weight behind them. This is only more so by the "genuine but fake" read on Gamma in 131. No post refs, just vibes. There's also alot of filler, like in 143, first half of 144, and the second half of 144, 145 and 146 feel like boosting post count more than anything well thought out or solid.

Back in halfa.

[Claptastik]

.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.

Yeah that's how I read it.

Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?

I generally don't answer for other people but as noted I'm bored. Personally I don't often think in terms of teams on D1 (although I'm trying to start doing that privately), so I don't see an issue with this.

[Laplacian]

You do realize I stated my approach to this game was a bit special, right?

Yes, and I find that approach - declaring a 4-person townblock in post 44 - to be highly suspicious.

Town blocks are great when they form organically, over time. I don't see town motivation for your approach. Seems more likely to be scum buddying.

Agreed, especially on day 1. 2 person townblock happens trivially. 3 person, sure, easy enough. 4 on day 1 is forced. So scumpoints for Gamma.

That said, I don't think we have a townblock so much as gamma

wanting

a townblock. If HT, Gypyx, and FuDuzn all hopped on Gamma's suggestion, then I'd be panicking and assuming 1+ were scum.

[Gypyx]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.

Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?

I guess it could be irony yea, it just didn't strike me as that in the moment, and once again,

and also, that one's more of a personal scumtell of mine, why would you, as a townie, think about what scum!You would you? i'm kinda reading that as the fact that you were hoping to gain towncred for that and you're annoyed it's not working out

also yeah, as claps said, acting as if mafiosos never vote each other early

[Gypyx]

once again you're more likely to come up with that joke if you're worried abour being viewed as a lurker to start with*

[Laplacian]

@GammaEmerald
You've got your towncore posted, but any scumreads?

[MargotRosa]

I read through the next few pages. I'm simultaneously feeling a harder scum read on FD, but I'm also feeling a lot more self-conscious about my reads and my radar in general, especially as so many reads have been the opposite of mine. I need to germinate on everything a lot more and come back to the game with a fresher mind, maybe after rereading a bunch of the wiki.

[FuDuzn]

Hot take but people should be allowed to switch up their playstyle

They are allowed. And other people are allowed to question such switches.

it especially gets less worth as a meta read here cause Gamma is making a conscious effort to switch up how she plays rather than failing to reproduce her town meta

Maybe she's making that conscious effort

because

she has difficulty reproducing her town meta as scum.

Gyp still does seem so towny, not loving this take from Clap though

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.

At the bottom of page 6. Will post vibes from here and keep going after a bit of a break.

Town leans:
- GammaEmerald - Liked their vote for me the most out of all of them. Feels like the work of a fairly proactive townie to gain info for reads based on responses, which I vibe with
- Laplacian - Based mostly on 119. I didn't like Hu Tao's vote for Upward at 101, for fairly similar reasons expressed there.
- Gypyx can stay for now as well.

Very slight scum lean from FuDuzn. 127 seems like their reads are grasps that don't have much weight behind them. This is only more so by the "genuine but fake" read on Gamma in 131. No post refs, just vibes. There's also alot of filler, like in 143, first half of 144, and the second half of 144, 145 and 146 feel like boosting post count more than anything well thought out or solid.

Back in halfa.

You are correct, it wasn't anything really well thought out, I was just quickly going through the iso's of people I haven't really had an opinion on yet. Wasn't meant to be a set in stone super solid list of reads or anything.

Also I wasn't trying to boost post count, it is just easier for me to make a separate post for each iso instead of one giant post containing all of them(plus personally I hate giant wall posts)

[Upwards]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

Ah, now I get where you’re coming from. See, just because I’m new doesn’t mean I can’t differentiate between someone being nice and someone making sense. So at that point I was less worried about getting tricked than about understanding how to proceed, since when I started posting there was very little I could conclude from the previous content. Think I have a better grasp now.

But while I’m familiar with the term buddying, what’s elimbait?

[Gypyx]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.

Yeah i can totally see it, although i also agree this feels quite tinfoil-ish, think we keep this in mind for if we manage to flip one of them as scum?

[Gypyx]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

Ah, now I get where you’re coming from. See, just because I’m new doesn’t mean I can’t differentiate between someone being nice and someone making sense. So at that point I was less worried about getting tricked than about understanding how to proceed, since when I started posting there was very little I could conclude from the previous content. Think I have a better grasp now.

But while I’m familiar with the term buddying, what’s elimbait?

Elimination-bait, a very scummy townie that the actual scum can push without much worry to take the heat off them

It's derived from lynchbait, but since "lynch" is no longer an allowed word on here that's the most popular alternative

[FuDuzn]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.

Yeah i can totally see it, although i also agree this feels quite tinfoil-ish, think we keep this in mind for if we manage to flip one of them as scum?

I don't like talking buddies until a scum is flipped per se, but as you put it an interesting possible interaction in the case one of them does flip scum.

[lucca261]

@GammaEmerald
You've got your towncore posted, but any scumreads?

What about you mate
any reads at all?

[Upwards]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.

Actually I can see it funnily enough, especially with that last paragraph being potentially usable as a setup to justify changing course in the future. Thing is, town might just as well make this post and I have it on good sources that I am not the buddy of anyone.

[FuDuzn]

I'm on that weird path where I kinda think my only scumread so far is Upwards for

@91

.

Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post.

Too non-commital, too agreeable. This paragraph in particular:

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

I mean, this looks a lot like newbscum to me.

Why exactly should I be paranoid, and of what? Don’t really get your point here.

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

Being so open on your opening post, even asking people to correct you? I see newb!town would be a little more wary, especially on a game like this with several very experienced players.

Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game.

My first reaction to this was a buddy talking to a buddy, kind of a tinfoily take but I wanted it out there to see if someone else agrees, of I am just seeing something that isn't there.

Actually I can see it funnily enough, especially with that last paragraph being potentially usable as a setup to justify changing course in the future. Thing is, town might just as well make this post and I have it on good sources that I am not the buddy of anyone.

Lol, don't be lying to me now

But I will say it was more about Lucca than you

[Gamma Emerald]

You do realize I stated my approach to this game was a bit special, right?

Yes, and I find that approach - declaring a 4-person townblock in post 44 - to be highly suspicious.

Town blocks are great when they form organically, over time. I don't see town motivation for your approach. Seems more likely to be scum buddying.

Agreed, especially on day 1. 2 person townblock happens trivially. 3 person, sure, easy enough. 4 on day 1 is forced. So scumpoints for Gamma.

That said, I don't think we have a townblock so much as gamma

wanting

a townblock. If HT, Gypyx, and FuDuzn all hopped on Gamma's suggestion, then I'd be panicking and assuming 1+ were scum.

I think I’m more willing/likely to force certain things as town, and other things as scum. For instance, I tend to lack stamina as scum so my presence on later days in scum games tend to be diminished. But I frequently have a read as town that I form on very little evidence but has substantial strength, which I think can be described as “forced” among other terms

[lucca261]

Just re-read some stuff and feel confident adding Margot to my town pile so far.

Her stuff seems natural. I like the contrarian reads. Feel like scum!Margot would have more defined reads by now.

@230

feels pretty good, even if I do not agree with most of it.
Still not loving Laplacian.

So FD, since you are active, why are you voting me again?

[Naerys]

I am too tired for writing some reads rn

sensible post tmorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

and also, that one's more of a personal scumtell of mine, why would you, as a townie, think about what scum!You would you? i'm kinda reading that as the fact that you were hoping to gain towncred for that and you're annoyed it's not working out

I actually do something like this myself (reflect on my own actions and consider how I would read them, how I’d expect others to read them, and how they fit into my concept of my own meta)

[Gamma Emerald]

@GammaEmerald
You've got your towncore posted, but any scumreads?

Clap is a scumlean because the meta point feels half-baked
I can’t remember anything else pinging me