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[Gamma Emerald]

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[DragonEater70]

I’m locked in. This pop in confirms it for me

You know, I was planning to apologize to you for flaming you earlier and saying this game was your worst town play of 2023.

I don't think I will.

If you wanna flip a PR that prevented two night kills, and can get a confirmed clear if we flip a roleblocker, and who has also found scum D1 but got derailed, resisted a wagon on town Day 2 despite your powertunnel, and was locked on scum Day 3 and made sure it was pushed through, I am not going to pretend that I think I played bad here. It's 100% on you.

[DragonEater70]

I'm not going to self-vote here though because self-voting as a PR is really stupid and I still think flipping Pav or Gamma would be so much better.

[DragonEater70]

Also wtf are you talking about with regard to "scummy pop in"? I said yesterday that I didn't feel like playing mafia, can you have some consideration for players' real life at all? It's not like I've been consistently lurking this game or something

[DragonEater70]

I don’t think it was pretty clear i town ready you to the extent i wouldn’t Vig you OR your partner.

Pretty clear from my POV

@Pav, Gamma, Purple, Hu Tao

Going into night yesterday after HPE flipped scum, how likely would you have thought that Flavor would shoot me?

My answer: maybe 1%

[DragonEater70]

I think Flavor has been very clear on that matter.

Who? Not reading 4 pages of Flavor tunnel right now

[Gamma Emerald]

I think he shoots me before he shoots you, is how I would look at it att

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Flavor has been very clear on that matter.

Who? Not reading 4 pages of Flavor tunnel right now

Me or hu tao

[Hu Tao]

I don’t think it was pretty clear i town ready you to the extent i wouldn’t Vig you OR your partner.

Pretty clear from my POV

@Pav, Gamma, Purple, Hu Tao

Going into night yesterday after HPE flipped scum, how likely would you have thought that Flavor would shoot me?

My answer: maybe 1%

I thought he'd shoot Gera

[DragonEater70]

Wtf how are we even partnered

These are OBJECTIVELY the least partnered pairs of slots in the game

Wtf is wrong with Flavor's partner finding skills

[DragonEater70]

I don’t think it was pretty clear i town ready you to the extent i wouldn’t Vig you OR your partner.

Pretty clear from my POV

@Pav, Gamma, Purple, Hu Tao

Going into night yesterday after HPE flipped scum, how likely would you have thought that Flavor would shoot me?

My answer: maybe 1%

I thought he'd shoot Gera

Same

[DragonEater70]

It was pretty telegraphed

[DragonEater70]

Wtf how are we even partnered

These are OBJECTIVELY the least partnered pairs of slots in the game

Wtf is wrong with Flavor's partner finding skills

Okay no, me/hu tao is a valid tinfoil but it assumes a much higher level of scum play from me than I've ever demonstrated

[Hu Tao]

I don't think he has the votes to Elim you today anyway. Why do you think it's gamma/pav?

[DragonEater70]

I thibk there was like no shot where you killed me or Hu Tao last night, Flavor

And if you did we would have just taken the L as scum. Leaving you alive makes NO SENSE for scum me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not going to self-vote here though because self-voting as a PR is really stupid and I still think flipping Pav or Gamma would be so much better.

Pav is a never vote slot for me.

[DragonEater70]

I don't think he has the votes to Elim you today anyway. Why do you think it's gamma/pav?

Gamma I wasn't seeing anything towny from up until this game day, now I'm starting to see it as more towny though. I also remember Kyo's last words that Gamma scumreading her is lockscum.

For Pav, yes he's very towny on a surface level but again, everything he does is easily fakable as scum IMO, and looking through Pav/HPE combined ISO during the night I noticed there were like 2 posts in Pav's ISO that I thought were somewhat scummy, and these are the exact posts that HPE liked about his slot. It definitely feels off, like HPE just made up a townread because it needed to but couldn't genuinely townread Pav because it knew he was scum. There's other things, like Pav subtly discrediting the Day 1 wagon on HPE and then saying how it's "neat" when I unvoted (feels manipulative).

[DragonEater70]

I'm not going to self-vote here though because self-voting as a PR is really stupid and I still think flipping Pav or Gamma would be so much better.

Pav is a never vote slot for me.

Sucks for you I guess

[DragonEater70]

I'll explain my case more in detail tonight

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think kyouko ever brought out her tell on me in this game though so I see her lockscumming me as just an emotional outburst

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not going to self-vote here though because self-voting as a PR is really stupid and I still think flipping Pav or Gamma would be so much better.

Pav is a never vote slot for me.

Sucks for you I guess

This is how you can tell this is coming from scum-- why would it suck for me?

If Pav is scum, with me being confirmed town, this means every other townie in the game have to vote Pav for Pav to be faded. This implies Dragon knows scum will join on the wagon, and not require 5 town votes on Pav.

So it really doesn't suck for me.

It sucks for Dragon. This mindset is why Dragon is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think kyouko ever brought out her tell on me in this game though so I see her lockscumming me as just an emotional outburst

She actually went towards HPE and some Dragon connections by the end of it. HPE flowing around Dragon, and Kyouko also seeing it is one of the key reasons I think Dragon is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kyouko also called out how HPE had the exact same read progression on Pav that they had on them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also said multiple times this day phase that the partner is 1 of 4 players, so Dragon overpushing Hu Tao as the main partner, when I've even given multiple reasons against that possibility this day phase and trying to discredit and minimizing the case to a simple just Hu Tao as the partner is another minimization of it, and simply used to try to discredit.

I have actively put multiple posts from Hu Tao that I felt were anti partnery, and thought Hu Tao was in a pocket. She's still one of the main candidates, but by no means the only one.

Basically anyone but Pav/CW for me there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thibk there was like no shot where you killed me or Hu Tao last night, Flavor

And if you did we would have just taken the L as scum. Leaving you alive makes NO SENSE for scum me.

Makes no sense for a town you, i have already stated why it actually makes more sense coming from a scum Dragon than a town Dragon.

I should have been allowed to make a kill and die, frankly. No reason to not try and stop the kill directly, but you chose to prevent me from making a kill when I had already proven my reads were on the right track with HPE.

On top of that, from your own acknowledgement, you thought there was a very minimal chance I would shoot you or Hu Tao. If you are town, then that leaves 4 other slots, 50% of which would be scum slots.

If it's being said I would shoot Geraint, it made no sense for me to be blocked there and not have just shot Geraint.

If Geraint is scum, that would leave one more.

In addition to that, I am the biggest defender of Pavowski,it would have been easier for a Town Dragon to gain momentum onto Pavowski or even a Gamma without me alive.

Blocking me makes no sense coming from a town mindset there.