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[Hu Tao]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

[JacksonVirgo]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

You say that but I don't see it like you do

[Hu Tao]

While I agree Dragon could be scum here. We should wait for him to check in

[biancospino]

votecount

Votecount 2-I

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

DragonEater70 (4 = E-2):

ssbm_Kyouko, Gamma Emerald, JacksonVirgo, Katsuki

Not Voting (7):

Hu Tao, KittyTacky, davesaz, DragonEater70, camelCasedSnivy, Black, Thomith

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-15 23:15:09).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here

[JacksonVirgo]

While I agree Dragon could be scum here. We should wait for him to check in

You saying "could be" is definitely some word choice

[Hu Tao]

[DragonEater70]

Sorry, I've been meaning to put a bit more effort into the game today and do some serious reading and ISO diving, but my time management skills and my decision making suck and I kinda have to sleep right now. But tomorrow is Saturday so I'll be definitely able to do that

From reading the last page only I wanna VOTE: dave

Do you townread Naerys?

Dragon scratch this question. I looked over your iso and it's pretty clear she's one of your top townreads. Can you explain why you townread her in depth?

Basically, I have played and modded a whole lot of games with Naerys, and I think I know her pretty well. Her thought processes, read trajectories, reaction to pressure and even the vote on Katsuki for posting a dead pokemon all feel like how she plays town normally. Can it be faked by scum!her? Maybe, but I saw no reason to believe that considering that so far TRing her for these things had worked pretty well for me.

And my vote on dave (I saw someone questioning it) is because he put a very unjustified vote on Naerys close to deadline in a way that screamed "this is the compromise wagon, all aboard the compromise wagon" which I didn't particularly find towny. Like it took less than a page since his vote to put her in E-1. That's scummy.

VOTE: davesaz

[DragonEater70]

Why exactly am I at E-2? For not survivalistically jumping on Naerys yesterday when I was the counterwagon for most of the day?

[Gamma Emerald]

dave is actually a player I probably trust more out of the votes on Naerys

[Thomith]

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

Knowing now that Naerys was town, I dislike these posts more than I already did.
VOTE: cCS

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah, I was also gonna say that was god-awful but couldn’t find away to put that in rhyme either

[KittyTacky]

Just a quick question to understand you better, and this is not meant to get under your skin or to shade you in any way, but do you tend to town-read people easier if they're agreeing with you? The opposite being the case too for disagreeing with you.

This is not aimed at me, but ngl I feel this is a subconscious bias for me. I try to fight it, and if someone just mildly scumreads me it doesn't affect my read of them, but when someone is relentlessly trying to get me hanged I can't really townread them much.

[Black]

I'm always on a see-saw when it comes to reading Black and it's painful, there's things they do that I consider scummy as hell but then they seem to make me doubt that read or they satisfy the logical part of my brain and this keeps happening.

I'm an enigma

I also townread most of the people on the wagon but my already weak confidence is a little shaken

Here have a song that was stuck in my head this weekend.

UGH KIM CHAEWON IS BAE. SHE IS LIFE

[Black]

dave is actually a player I probably trust more out of the votes on Naerys

Same

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

Knowing now that Naerys was town, I dislike these posts more than I already did.
VOTE: cCS

I think Snivy is scummy for other reasons but I don't really think recruiting others to his cause is all that scummy

[Thomith]

I feel Naerys’ claim was towny
I was trying to figure out how to put that into rhyme when the wagon got blitzed

I don't really like this post

There were like 3 days between Naerys's claim and her wagon popping off

I feel like Naerys kind of resigned herself to being faded immediately after claiming though.

I also don't think Gamma was saying that Naerys got blitz wagoned because of the claim, so I'm not sure of the relevancy?

[Thomith]

dave is actually a player I probably trust more out of the votes on Naerys

Same

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

Knowing now that Naerys was town, I dislike these posts more than I already did.
VOTE: cCS

I think Snivy is scummy for other reasons but I don't really think recruiting others to his cause is all that scummy

It is when he is namedropping others as reasons to join the cause.

Feels like he could be doing that so you or Gamma took the fall if Naerys/Kyouko flipped town? That might be tinfoil tbh though, just got a weird vibe from those posts.

[JacksonVirgo]

Just a quick question to understand you better, and this is not meant to get under your skin or to shade you in any way, but do you tend to town-read people easier if they're agreeing with you? The opposite being the case too for disagreeing with you.

This is not aimed at me, but ngl I feel this is a subconscious bias for me. I try to fight it, and if someone just mildly scumreads me it doesn't affect my read of them, but when someone is relentlessly trying to get me hanged I can't really townread them much.

Yeah it's a bias for me as well, I just figured perhaps if Black also is affected by this it could explain some of her motivations that I'm seeing but assuming her town if it isn't then perhaps it's affecting her more than she realises, or just pure coincidence?

[Black]

I feel Naerys’ claim was towny
I was trying to figure out how to put that into rhyme when the wagon got blitzed

I don't really like this post

There were like 3 days between Naerys's claim and her wagon popping off

I feel like Naerys kind of resigned herself to being faded immediately after claiming though.

I also don't think Gamma was saying that Naerys got blitz wagoned because of the claim, so I'm not sure of the relevancy?

I didn't like Gamma's post because to me it felt like she was trying to justify not being on the Naerys wagon after I suggested there was at least one scum off the wagon. I didn't like the reasoning because Gamma thought Naerys was town for most of D1 yet she didn't do anything to combat the wagon from growing. Saying "I thought the claim was townie but I didn't say anything because I couldn't figure out a rhyme for it" pings me

dave is actually a player I probably trust more out of the votes on Naerys

Same

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

Knowing now that Naerys was town, I dislike these posts more than I already did.
VOTE: cCS

I think Snivy is scummy for other reasons but I don't really think recruiting others to his cause is all that scummy

It is when he is namedropping others as reasons to join the cause.

Feels like he could be doing that so you or Gamma took the fall if Naerys/Kyouko flipped town? That might be tinfoil tbh though, just got a weird vibe from those posts.

He name dropped Gamma and I because you said you wanted sheep a townread and he wasn't sure which townread you were sheeping. Or at least that's how I'm seeing it

I actually think the bluntness of it and how up front he was about trying to form a wagon with you is probably +town for him

[Black]

I did ISO kitty during the night before I got bored, and while I do think tonally they're scummy I do think I've been treating them unfairly

Kitty was town from post 1

Who do you think is scum? I want to sheep you

[JacksonVirgo]

Sheep them tomorrow too ;)

[JacksonVirgo]

Will be painfully afk for the next like 8-10 hours as I'm working

[Black]

Just a quick question to understand you better, and this is not meant to get under your skin or to shade you in any way, but do you tend to town-read people easier if they're agreeing with you? The opposite being the case too for disagreeing with you.

This is not aimed at me, but ngl I feel this is a subconscious bias for me. I try to fight it, and if someone just mildly scumreads me it doesn't affect my read of them, but when someone is relentlessly trying to get me hanged I can't really townread them much.

Yeah it's a bias for me as well, I just figured perhaps if Black also is affected by this it could explain some of her motivations that I'm seeing but assuming her town if it isn't then perhaps it's affecting her more than she realises, or just pure coincidence?

What exactly are you seeing? I've scumread people that agree with me/townread me and I've townread people that disagree with me/scumread me. I'm familiar with the bias but I'd like to think it doesn't affect me too much

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm more aware of my own slot so I am seeing this with your read on me more than anything else but again that Naerys read feels a little out of place even now, but I stated a very clear scum-read on you of which you scum-read me, I let go of my push for a moment and then so did you. I was tempted to jump into today with a full push on you to see if it corroborated my loose theory but I decided against it and opted to just ask you directly.

[Black]

I try to look at the reasons for why people do what they do

In your case I didn't think your scumread on me made much sense but that is only a small part of why I think you could be scum

In Naerys's case, she started dropping in my reads before she ever disagreed with me

I do think it's more of a case by case basis and there are usually other factors involved in the read, but yeah I think someone scumreading me for what I consider to be bad reasons is going to make me raise an eyebrow. But I also get suspicious of people agreeing with me too much, so it really just depends on context and other things

[Thomith]

The issue with the Naerys wagon for me is while it was easy to jump onto, i can 100% see the reason why town would join it.

I think I need to go back and look at the context that everyone jumped on the wagon with.